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[Cyberman]

ow do you know that? and at what cost?

... because NATO has virtually the backing of the whole world, plus far superior technology. Cost is immaterial to defend our lives, freedom and democracy.

[DodgyAgent]

ow do you know that? and at what cost?

Why would'nt it?

As for the cost, I am not sure what the budget is.

[Bob Dalek]

... because NATO has virtually the backing of the whole world, plus far superior technology. Cost is immaterial to defend our lives, freedom and democracy.

Tell that to our troops in Iraq & Afghanistan, who are understaffed and under-equipped, and I suspect they'd pound your head in.

[Pickle2]

So which countries have the West annexed ? [/quote]

jeezuz, where have you been? Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania in recent times have all been swallowed up by NATO expansion. Ukraine and Georgia have been given the nod to be next.

All countries moving from russia's sphere of influence into that of the west's. I think russia are now trying to draw a line in the sand and say "no more". Whether it works or not is still to be seen.

Ukraine will prove a useful test. The country quite naturally devides in two along an east west axis. The east is mainly russian orthodox, the west half roman catholic ukraine speakers. You can see how russia may try and stir up trouble as reaction to further moves by Nato. But all of this will play out over a much longer time horizon than the immediate georgian crisis will be contained to.

[GreenerGrass]

... because NATO has virtually the backing of the whole world

I bet it doesn't even have the backing of most of Europe with World War 3 at stake. I can just imagine the Italians, Belgians - and let's not forget Luxembourg - itching to send their crack forces in to defend the rights of Ukraine to provide reasonably nice looking prostitutes and cleaners to the rest of Europe.
And where do you get the idea we are doing any better in Afghanistan than the Russians did - despite our technology?

This thing with Georgia has been brewing for quite a time:
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_M...risis_999.html

Lieutenant General Henry Obering, who oversees the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency, did not specify which country in the Caucasus might be selected as a possible site for an anti-missile radar, but a senior Russian analyst suggested Friday that Georgia would be the most likely site.

"The most convenient territory [for the radar], in political terms, is currently Georgia, which has not as yet raised objections to any U.S. proposals," said Leonid Ivashov, deputy head of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems think tank. "I believe the Americans could station a radar there."

Regardless of who started shooting who first in Georgia, the invasion was ultimately caused by those pesky, meddling Americans. Their provocation with the missile shield and militarisation of these countries is akin to the Russians doing the same in Mexico and Canada.

The Americans had their chance to unite with Russia to fight "Islamic Terror" and neuter Iran (if that had been their genuine goal) but decided to aim for total global domination and control of energy resources, as well as pissing off Russia in the process.

As Pickle says above Georgia was the line in the sand, Ukraine could well be World War 3.
The worrying thing is it won't get any safer under Obama either, he is just as clueless:
http://obama.senate.gov/press/080128...statement_118/

[Cyberman]

Tell that to our troops in Iraq & Afghanistan, who are understaffed and under-equipped, and I suspect they'd pound your head in.

You are a complete pillock Dalek in deliberately misinterpreting my post !!

What I am saying is that there are no limits to what we should spend, which is vastly different what New Lie is currently doing, having wasted so much on worthless projects.

[DodgyAgent]

jeezuz, where have you been? Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania in recent times have all been swallowed up by NATO expansion. Ukraine and Georgia have been given the nod to be next.

All countries moving from russia's sphere of influence into that of the west's. I think russia are now trying to draw a line in the sand and say "no more". Whether it works or not is still to be seen.

Ukraine will prove a useful test. The country quite naturally devides in two along an east west axis. The east is mainly russian orthodox, the west half roman catholic ukraine speakers. You can see how russia may try and stir up trouble as reaction to further moves by Nato. But all of this will play out over a much longer time horizon than the immediate georgian crisis will be contained to.

Wasnt it just awful of the nasty imperialist EU to send all those tanks into Poland, Estonia, Romania?

The countries in "Russia's sphere of influence" were not in that position voluntarily, they were there by force.
It is quite interesting how people kid themselves when confronted by an aggressor. On the one hand people stand up and fight the bully and on the other hand people wave a certificate around showing how peaceful the bully is.

[DodgyAgent]

I bet it doesn't even have the backing of most of Europe with World War 3 at stake. I can just imagine the Italians, Belgians - and let's not forget Luxembourg - itching to send their crack forces in to defend the rights of Ukraine to provide reasonably nice looking prostitutes and cleaners to the rest of Europe.
And where do you get the idea we are doing any better in Afghanistan than the Russians did - despite our technology?

This thing with Georgia has been brewing for quite a time:
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_M...risis_999.html



Regardless of who started shooting who first in Georgia, the invasion was ultimately caused by those pesky, meddling Americans. Their provocation with the missile shield and militarisation of these countries is akin to the Russians doing the same in Mexico and Canada.

The Americans had their chance to unite with Russia to fight "Islamic Terror" and neuter Iran (if that had been their genuine goal) but decided to aim for total global domination and control of energy resources, as well as pissing off Russia in the process.

As Pickle says above Georgia was the line in the sand, Ukraine could well be World War 3.
The worrying thing is it won't get any safer under Obama either, he is just as clueless:
http://obama.senate.gov/press/080128...statement_118/

I am sure the Ukrainians are deeply flatterd by your condescending remarks. Did the Americans send their tanks in to Poland and force them to join NATO?

[Cyberman]

jeezuz, where have you been? Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania in recent times have all been swallowed up by NATO expansion. Ukraine and Georgia have been given the nod to be next.

All countries moving from russia's sphere of influence into that of the west's. I think russia are now trying to draw a line in the sand and say "no more". Whether it works or not is still to be seen.

Ukraine will prove a useful test. The country quite naturally devides in two along an east west axis. The east is mainly russian orthodox, the west half roman catholic ukraine speakers. You can see how russia may try and stir up trouble as reaction to further moves by Nato. But all of this will play out over a much longer time horizon than the immediate georgian crisis will be contained to.

'Swallowed up' really is the wrong phrase to use. Nato is purely a voluntary defence alliance and countries in it are totally independent. Any countries swallowed up by Russia become part of a pseudo-communist war machine and are definitely not independent.

[Cyberman]

Wasnt it just awful of the nasty imperialist EU to send all those tanks into Poland, Estonia, Romania?

The countries in "Russia's sphere of influence" were not in that position voluntarily, they were there by force.
It is quite interesting how people kid themselves when confronted by an aggressor. On the one hand people stand up and fight the bully and on the other hand people wave a certificate around showing how peaceful the bully is.

DodgyAgent, I did not post the post that you have replied to that you have acredited to me. It should be acredited to Pickle2