A strong marriage policy IS the key !!

[Bob Dalek]

Gay relationships are wrong. this is determined by Nature and Natural Selection. Not by religion or politics.

If there is a VALID argument that disputes this fact, then let's hear it, and without all the bull, emotion and glossing over.

If it's determined by nature & natural selection, why are there any gay people on the planet? You twonk.

[Diver]

OK - do you think being gay is genetic or a voluntary choice?

If you think it's a choice then I think we're going to agree to disagree. If it's genetic then there's nothing they can do about it, in which case how can it be wrong, and why did nature make them that way?

Gay or Homosexual. There is a distinct difference in attitude and outlook.

Gay I believe to be the result of genetic make-up.

Homosexual can be by choice (many men become homosexual in prison, but remain hetero when free.

[Bob Dalek]

I have gay friends, and and they are great people. I am not making a judgement, simply stating a fact. I simply said gay relationships are wrong as determined by nature and the laws of natural selection, In the same way that crossing a donkey with a horse to produce an infertile mule is wrong.

Can anybody produce a valid argument that disputes this fact.

Are you equating the ability to reproduce with right and wrong? Infertile couples are, therefore, wrong, are they?

You seem to have just missed the 31B to the Middle Ages and are now trapped in the age of Enlightenment.

[NotAllThere]

OK - do you think being gay is genetic or a voluntary choice?

If you think it's a choice then I think we're going to agree to disagree. If it's genetic then there's nothing they can do about it, in which case how can it be wrong, and why did nature make them that way?

Before I went to study at the University of Essex, I thought I was pretty much a socialist in outlook. However, compared to those running the SU, I was in fact a rabid fascist and rapidly disappearing over the right-wing event horizon. Many of those people are now part of the apparatus of the current government.

In the reception area of the SU offices, there was a poster, the caption of which stated their view quite clearly. "Go on. Become homosexual".

My view is that while some people are more drawn to gaydom than others, it isn't pre-ordained. To that extent, it's a choice. And those who choose not to go that way aren't necessarily "denying their sexuality", as some would have you believe.

[NotAllThere]

Are you equating the ability to reproduce with right and wrong? Infertile couples are, therefore, wrong, are they?

Absolutely. They shouldn't be allowed to breed.

IGMC

[Diver]

If it's determined by nature & natural selection, why are there any gay people on the planet? You twonk.

Because society helps and supports it's weaker or non conforming members.
In nature sports are usually weeded out by group or targeted first by predators.

Homosexual behaviour has been evidenced in the wild. This is usually an act of domination on one member lower in the pecking order. in chimpanzees and other primates this trait is non survival as the primary object is to achieve dominance and proliferate genetically by mating and producing young, those members of the group that exhibit predominantly homosexual tendencies are driven from the group and fail to survive and breed. twonk

[The Lone Gunman]

When I said you were not totaly homophobic I meant it in the same way that apartheid isnt totaly racist.

If we are going down the what is natural route then marriage is not natural. All evidence would suggest we are not monogomous and that we would most likely conform to Alpha male reproduction within the pack.

I take it you "sex is for having babies" crowd dont use contraception and dont partake of oral sex, masturbation or (god forbid) anal sex? Seeing as how you dont like unnatural things I assume you live in caves, you hunt or gather your own materials for food and clothes and dont drive or fly. Or is it possible we have evolved to a different level from that?

I do not believe that being gay is a choice, for some maybe, but in my experience that isnt the case. I may be wrong, but science is yet to fall one way or the other.
If it is a choice then I would ask you homophobes when and how often you decided not to be attracted to that nice looking chap at the desk over there. I am naturaly drawn to good looking females and often say "cor I would" (mostly in my head) and occasionaly make a choice of "ooooh no thanks" but that choice never ever presents itself in my head in relation to another chap.

I am not going on wiht this argument as we ahve done it before and it goes nowhere.

[Diver]

Are you equating the ability to reproduce with right and wrong? Infertile couples are, therefore, wrong, are they?

You seem to have just missed the 31B to the Middle Ages and are now trapped in the age of Enlightenment.

In nature YES!

They are the same as Gays, a genetic dead end.

You really must stop bringing all this pathetic emotion into this as a valid factor.

It shows weakness and weakness is not something that nature is forgiving of.

[Bob Dalek]

When I said you were not totaly homophobic I meant it in the same way that apartheid isnt totaly racist.

If we are going down the what is natural route then marriage is not natural. All evidence would suggest we are not monogomous and that we would most likely conform to Alpha male reproduction within the pack.

I love being married. So there! I think it IS natural. Who'd fall in love, then happlily watch their loved one disappear into the sunset with another? We're not bloomin' rats, mice or anything else, we've evolved!

[Bob Dalek]

Because society helps and supports it's weaker or non conforming members.
In nature sports are usually weeded out by group or targeted first by predators.

Homosexual behaviour has been evidenced in the wild. This is usually an act of domination on one member lower in the pecking order. in chimpanzees and other primates this trait is non survival as the primary object is to achieve dominance and proliferate genetically by mating and producing young, those members of the group that exhibit predominantly homosexual tendencies are driven from the group and fail to survive and breed. twonk

Oh Dear (TM). Still on the "Breeding = good; non-breeding = bad" treadmill.

All together, now: "Ein Volk, Ein Reich,..."