A strong marriage policy IS the key !!

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Older parents were not able to provide protection or food for their offspring as successfully as their younger rivals; Mother Nature ensured they wouldnt have to by ensuring the Human bodys reproductive facilities deteriorate with age.

How would you explain it then?

So where did Downs Syndrome fit in? Your argument here is as weak as your id cards one.

[Diver]

So where did Downs Syndrome fit in? Your argument here is as weak as your id cards one.

Genetic & Biological/physical degeneration with age is also mother natures way of culling the weak. Those with the strength and ability to mate, produce and support young later in life are a better breed.

[Cyberman]

and Aids to teach us not to covet thy neighbours ass (it's in the bible )

.. and we invented marriage to enable our children to be nurtured in a stable and loving environment to benefit society. Let's get back to using that as a solid framework in order to rid us of today's chaos, crime an rising anarchy.

[Incognito]

Or do you think that Mother Nature makes us need glasses after age 45 as a gentle reminder that it's time to get the affairs in order?

You're being facetious now.

Deterioration of eyesight is another example of survival of the fittest of the species. Older people become a burden on the collective group/tribe. Selection compensates for this by ensuring the person is more likely to be weeded out by ageing. That doesn't mean that the person hasn't succeeded in spreading their DNA into the gene pool, it means that the DNA they now have is not worthy of contributing.

[expat]

You're being facetious now.

Deterioration of eyesight is another example of survival of the fittest of the species. Older people become a burden on the collective group/tribe. Selection compensates for this by ensuring the person is more likely to be weeded out by ageing. That doesn't mean that the person hasn't succeeded in spreading their DNA into the gene pool, it means that the DNA they now have is not worthy of contributing.

No, it doesn't. You are inserting a purpose into this, that does not belong.

Old people don't survive because they are weak. It is nothing to do with any active agency deciding to select against their DNA. They are not assessed and weeded out to save the DNA, the tribe, or the planet. They just cop it.

There is no reason to speak as if there is an active hand in this, whether you call it selection, Mother Nature, or God. It just happens. Why describe it as if it were the act of a conscious mind?

[Incognito]

So where did Downs Syndrome fit in? Your argument here is as weak as your id cards one.

Downs Syndrome was used as an example of the ageing process and deterioration of genetic material as an evolutionary step.

[Cyberman]

No, it doesn't. You are inserting a purpose into this, that does not belong.

Old people don't survive because they are weak. It is nothing to do with any active agency deciding to select against their DNA. They are not assessed and weeded out to save the DNA, the tribe, or the planet. They just cop it.

There is no reason to speak as if there is an active hand in this, whether you call it selection, Mother Nature, or God. It just happens. Why describe it as if it were the act of a conscious mind?

Deterioration is due also to environmental and dietary factors. Some people are way older than others and can still propagate the species, whereas the younger ones cannot. There is an element of individual choice here, because excess drinking, drugs, eating carp etc can all play a part in speeding deterioration with age, whereas exercise and a healthy diet can slow down that deterioration.

[Incognito]

No, it doesn't. You are inserting a purpose into this, that does not belong.

Old people don't survive because they are weak. It is nothing to do with any active agency deciding to select against their DNA. They are not assessed and weeded out to save the DNA, the tribe, or the planet. They just cop it.

There is no reason to speak as if there is an active hand in this, whether you call it selection, Mother Nature, or God. It just happens. Why describe it as if it were the act of a conscious mind?

I am not describing it as an act of a conscious mind. I am not a 'creationist.'

I quite happily accept that ageing happens. However, why then do we grow old? Why do Humans live longer than dogs? Why does the Human body reach a prime and then deteriorate?

Regeneration is happening right now in the wild from the same original genome code we've evolved from.

Factors influence the Human ageing process and these factors show evidence of positive selection on the Human genome (those that had evolved quickly because of an adaptive benefit in the environment). That to me is evolution and I’m afraid I can’t explain it any better because I’m not a Biologist.

[Diver]

Deterioration is due also to environmental and dietary factors. Some people are way older than others and can still propagate the species, whereas the younger ones cannot. There is an element of individual choice here, because excess drinking, drugs, eating carp etc can all play a part in speeding deterioration with age, whereas exercise and a healthy diet can slow down that deterioration.

Also mother natures way of culling the weak--The weak willed and those without the strength & Intelligence to overcome environmental adversity.

[Bagpuss]

Not intentionally, but the ACTUAL FACTS of knife murder in London is proof that blacks in the majority of cases are to blame, and it would appear that single parenthood is a factor. After a decade of political correctness it is now time to look for solutions without resort to, or being accused by apparent do-gooders such as yourself of racism.

In London maybe, but as the majority of Londoners were not born in London it's hardly surprising. In the majority of cases I see on the news (of death by teenagers) the perps are white, and in most of the police docu-soaps the violent perps are white. Forget about colour, this country has always been violent. In the 19th century many parts of London were no-go zones where you could get garotted for a few farthings, I doubt those criminals were black. Yes, we have some pretty horrible white people in this country.