A strong marriage policy IS the key !!

[Cyberman]

In London maybe, but as the majority of Londoners were not born in London it's hardly surprising. In the majority of cases I see on the news (of death by teenagers) the perps are white, and in most of the police docu-soaps the violent perps are white. Forget about colour, this country has always been violent. In the 19th century many parts of London were no-go zones where you could get garotted for a few farthings, I doubt those criminals were black. Yes, we have some pretty horrible white people in this country.

That's untrue. There was a radio phone-in discussion on this recently and the perpetrators in London are in the vast majority black.

[Cyberman]

In fact another stat that was often quoted is that 50% of crime is caused by 20% of the population(ie. blacks). This was on top of the fact that 60% of black kids are in one parent families. There is an obvious correllation between crime and one-parent families.

I am not racist but people really must accept reality. I just want these problems solved, and thus my original post about promoting stable marriages.

[Bagpuss]

That's untrue. There was a radio phone-in discussion on this recently and the perpetrators in London are in the vast majority black.

Read my post again, and remember Gary Newlove et al were not killed by black people. Maybe causing death by kicking someone about the head is better though. You seem to be confusing the youth crime problem we have in this countr with race, one wonders why?

I have recently had dealing with young hooligans and know of someone killed by hoodies, none of them black

[Cyberman]

Read my post again, and remember Gary Newlove et al were not killed by black people. Maybe causing death by kicking someone about the head is better though. You seem to be confusing the youth crime problem we have in this countr with race, one wonders why?

I have recently had dealing with young hooligans and know of someone killed by hoodies, none of them black

... and you should read my posts because I have only ever been referring to knife crime which is almost 100% black, except for the 60/20 mention in my previous post.

[BrilloPad]

In fact another stat that was often quoted is that 50% of crime is caused by 20% of the population(ie. blacks). This was on top of the fact that 60% of black kids are in one parent families. There is an obvious correllation between crime and one-parent families.

I am not racist but people really must accept reality. I just want these problems solved, and thus my original post about promoting stable marriages.

"I think the Tories are on a winner here as I believe that marriage is the cornerstone to a society and children within marriage are more likely to be confident and successful as adults."

How does the tories calling fathers feckless help? If the tories want to promote marriage then great. So far they are as bad as LieBour.

[Ardesco]

I've already stated my reasons in my opening post. Please read and understand why there are good reasons to promote heterosexual marriage rather than minority groups. Our children are our future and gay couples do not create the children of that future.

I have met many gay couples who were far more committed to kids than hetrosexual couples. Maybe the reason for this is that as a gay couple having a child (be it through adoption, or sperm donorship, or whatever) is a lot harder to do because they have to actively try to do it. Hetrosexual couples on the other hand tend to have children after a drunken night out because one of them forgot thier contraception...

This des not mean that gay couples should be given a higher priority when it comes to children, or that gay marriages should be more important. It also does not mean that the majority of hetrosexual couples are not devoted to thier children no matter how they were conceived. However saying they should not be equal is quite frankly close minded and blew away any respect I may have had for your original argument.

How many gay people have produced children out of wedlock after a one night stand and then gone on to scrounge off the state as a valid career choice? Maybe we should be promoting homosexuality for single people to stop this happening.....

[Cyberman]

"I think the Tories are on a winner here as I believe that marriage is the cornerstone to a society and children within marriage are more likely to be confident and successful as adults."

How does the tories calling fathers flipless help? If the tories want to promote marriage then great. So far they are as bad as LieBour.

Can you put flipless into plain english in the context of fathers ? Trying to blame the Tories for the past ten years seems a bit weird to me.
New Lie have lowered the meaning of marriage far below what it meant under the Tories, by their courting of minority groups such as single mothers, gays and immigrant polygamists and constantly stating that all relationships are equal.
Try looking at the reduction in marriages nowadays compared to 1996 and before.

[BrilloPad]

Can you put flipless into plain english in the context of fathers ? Trying to blame the Tories for the past ten years seems a bit weird to me.
New Lie have lowered the meaning of marriage far below what it meant under the Tories, by their courting of minority groups such as single mothers, gays and immigrant polygamists and constantly stating that all relationships are equal.
Try looking at the reduction in marriages nowadays compared to 1996 and before.

damned swear filter!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...k-drivers.html

I voted tory last 6 elections (including 1997) but will NOT vote for that scum next time. Just cos I hate Torys does not mean I like LieBour.

[Cyberman]

I have met many gay couples who were far more committed to kids than hetrosexual couples. Maybe the reason for this is that as a gay couple having a child (be it through adoption, or sperm donorship, or whatever) is a lot harder to do because they have to actively try to do it. Hetrosexual couples on the other hand tend to have children after a drunken night out because one of them forgot thier contraception...

This des not mean that gay couples should be given a higher priority when it comes to children, or that gay marriages should be more important. It also does not mean that the majority of hetrosexual couples are not devoted to thier children no matter how they were conceived. However saying they should not be equal is quite frankly close minded and blew away any respect I may have had for your original argument.

How many gay people have produced children out of wedlock after a one night stand and then gone on to scrounge off the state as a valid career choice? Maybe we should be promoting homosexuality for single people to stop this happening.....

How many MARRIED people produce children on a one night stand ? Not many I suspect. How many GAY people catch aids on a one night stand or pass it on ? A lot more than MARRIED people I bet.
Surely there are much better arguments for heterosexual marriage than single motherhood or gay marriage and therefore heterosexual marriage is superior from the society perspective if we are hoping to breed confident, disciplined and well-educated children and thus reduce crime.

[Ardesco]

Gay relationships are wrong. this is determined by Nature and Natural Selection. Not by religion or politics.

If there is a VALID argument that disputes this fact, then let's hear it, and without all the bull, emotion and glossing over.

Have a read about the Bonobo Monkey:

http://newswire.pro/bonobo_sex_and_society.htm

It would appear that homosexual sex is quite common in the wild in some cases as well.