A strong marriage policy IS the key !!

[realityhack]

Actually fact - it's been going on amongst white kids in Glasgow for decades, way before families started breaking up as they do these days. Socio economic, and cultural is mainly to blame imo.

I agree. Knife and gun culture. The demographics vary from place to place. I happened to be in a team in East London. Those happened to be the particular demographics for that area.

[Cyberman]

Are you saying a family with say one parent working full time and one staying at home should get state handouts they don't need, so that they get the same as a single mother who has no choice not to work and so has no income?

Or are you saying that single mothers should be treated like any other unemployed person and have benefits taken away if they don't work, meaning they resort to crime just to feed the child? Is that better for the child?

The answer to all this is simple: sterilize everybody at puberty.

All I am saying is that people argue that marriage should NOT get tax breaks , but by doing this are indirectly promoting less desirable ways of living. This is not good for our society in the long-term. Raising marriage higher up on the list can only be a good thing IMO.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

All I am saying is that people argue that marriage should NOT get tax breaks , but by doing this are indirectly promoting less desirable ways of living. This is not good for our society in the long-term. Raising marriage higher up on the list can only be a good thing IMO.

So the government that abolished the tax breaks for marriage must have been a gang of incompetant ****wits in your view ?

[IR35 Avoider]

Are you saying a family with say one parent working full time and one staying at home should get state handouts they don't need, so that they get the same as a single mother who has no choice not to work and so has no income?

The real problem is not the tax system but the benefits system. Any two adults on benefits should not be able to increase their take by living apart instead of together.

I understand why the system is the way it is, it is based on needs. But the way it is creates bad incentives.

The assessment of needs in the benefits system should be based on the assumption that a household will have two adults. It's then up to the individuals to organise their lives to make that happen. It doesn't matter whether it's husband-and-wife or two single mothers sharing a house. The point is that it costs twice as much (per person) to fund single-adult households, so the benefits system shouldn't subsidise that.

I think benefits, like tax, should be assessed on individual rather than a household basis. The individuals benefit needs should be based on the assumption that they will share the house with one other adult, however the actual number they share with should not affect the figure. If people want to save money by sharing a house with any number of other adults they should be able to do so without losing money.

[blacjac]

That's a tough one and I'm sure every situation is slightly different, but personally my parents getting divorced when I was young was in general a good thing. No father around, but a peaceful house was preferable to the open warfare/massive arguments I remembered as a kid when they were together. Can't see how that's good for anyone.

At the end of the day what matters is parents taking an interest, even if they're not together and instilling the right values etc in their kids, not just living under the same house.

Your last name is Jordash and I claim my 5 free patio paving slabs

[Advocate]

The undercover economist and freakonomics (if you fly a lot, you read airport literature...) are a good read and go some way to explaining why there are racial implications in crime levels; it's to do with poverty if I remember correctly.


Although take the information with a pinch/spoonful of salt!

[snaw]

Your last name is Jordash and I claim my 5 free patio paving slabs

I don't get it.

Googled Jordash and either you're implying I'm a gothic clothing maker, or an international criminal defence lawyer. They both sound like they'd earn more money than me

[blacjac]

I don't get it.

Googled Jordash and either you're implying I'm a gothic clothing maker, or an international criminal defence lawyer. They both sound like they'd earn more money than me

oops

Jordhache

http://www.brooksidesoapbox.co.uk/page5.htm

[snaw]

oops

Jordhache

http://www.brooksidesoapbox.co.uk/page5.htm

Ahh - it's enough to make you turn lesbian. Really

[Sausage Surprise]

oops

Jordhache

http://www.brooksidesoapbox.co.uk/page5.htm

Jordache