• Visitors can check out the Forum FAQ by clicking this link. You have to register before you can post: click the REGISTER link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. View our Forum Privacy Policy.
  • Want to receive the latest contracting news and advice straight to your inbox? Sign up to the ContractorUK newsletter here. Every sign up will also be entered into a draw to WIN £100 Amazon vouchers!

Sweden

Collapse
X
  •  
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    #11
    Anti-family according to some:

    "A 23-year old Eritrean refugee, raising her two girls on her own, was sentenced to one year's imprisonment for having spanked her youngest daughter, aged six. The children were placed in an orphanage. They spoke no Swedish and thought that the police had taken their mother away and shot her, as the Ethiopian police might have. A stepfather who slapped his two boys, aged 11 and 12, after they were caught stealing, was imprisoned for a year. A young Thai widow who slapped her 14-year old daughter's face was imprisoned for a month, and all four of her daughters taken from her to a foster home"

    "The Swedish law is supposed to protect children. But according to Harrold-Claesson, 'the effect on children is devastating: they lose contact with their families and their playmates to be "replanted" in new soil'. She says that 'real abusers are more devious than the parents who discipline their children out of love, hiding nothing'. But the real damage is done by the law itself: 'To fail to discipline a child, not to give it any boundaries, is real cruelty.' In Sweden even sending a child to his room, 'room arrest', is illegal, seen as cruel treatment and deprivation of liberty. "

    "the family is principally bad - in Sweden the family does not count'. Through the crazy theories of psychologists, ordinary family relationships are viewed with suspicion. 'One mother I defended was accused of having a "sick symbiotic relationship" with her daughter - they meant that she loved her.' Where parents are unable to cope because of problems like alcoholism or addiction, the social services stop grandparents from taking the children in, on the grounds that they are to blame for the parents' shortcomings - they raised them that way. "

    Socialists/communists and (other forms of) totalitarian government do not like parents having control over their children. They believe it is the government's job.
    Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

    Comment


      #12
      Originally posted by ace00 View Post
      salmon candy - wtf? Explain pls.
      Ask for it next time you are in IKEA. they will have to get it from the back room, but they will adopt you as a brother.
      "Condoms should come with a free pack of earplugs."

      Comment


        #13
        Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
        Anti-family according to some:

        "A 23-year old Eritrean refugee, raising her two girls on her own, was sentenced to one year's imprisonment for having spanked her youngest daughter, aged six. The children were placed in an orphanage. They spoke no Swedish and thought that the police had taken their mother away and shot her, as the Ethiopian police might have. A stepfather who slapped his two boys, aged 11 and 12, after they were caught stealing, was imprisoned for a year. A young Thai widow who slapped her 14-year old daughter's face was imprisoned for a month, and all four of her daughters taken from her to a foster home"

        "The Swedish law is supposed to protect children. But according to Harrold-Claesson, 'the effect on children is devastating: they lose contact with their families and their playmates to be "replanted" in new soil'. She says that 'real abusers are more devious than the parents who discipline their children out of love, hiding nothing'. But the real damage is done by the law itself: 'To fail to discipline a child, not to give it any boundaries, is real cruelty.' In Sweden even sending a child to his room, 'room arrest', is illegal, seen as cruel treatment and deprivation of liberty. "

        "the family is principally bad - in Sweden the family does not count'. Through the crazy theories of psychologists, ordinary family relationships are viewed with suspicion. 'One mother I defended was accused of having a "sick symbiotic relationship" with her daughter - they meant that she loved her.' Where parents are unable to cope because of problems like alcoholism or addiction, the social services stop grandparents from taking the children in, on the grounds that they are to blame for the parents' shortcomings - they raised them that way. "

        Socialists/communists and (other forms of) totalitarian government do not like parents having control over their children. They believe it is the government's job.
        Funny old site that one - you a regular on Mothers Against Munchausen Syndrome site then NotAllThere?

        Interesting article too, written in 1999 - shame the link to the original no longer works either ...
        Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar?? - cailin maith

        Any forum is a collection of assorted weirdos, cranks and pervs - Board Game Geek

        That will be a simply fab time to catch up for a beer. - Tay

        Have you ever seen somebody lick the chutney spoon in an Indian Restaurant and put it back ? - Cyberghoul

        Comment


          #14
          Originally posted by sunnysan View Post
          Here we go again, George Osbourne, in his speech yesterday made a reference to Sweden as an example of delivery or services,local decision making and choice.(I have heard all that stuff before somewhere methinks)

          I cannot recall who it was who has recently hailed Sweden as way forward(Polly Toynbee I think), but I would like to hear some views from any people with vast experience with Sweden, or who live there.
          Having lived in Sweden for 8 years I have something of a feel for the place.

          The way local decision making differs is that it is backed up with cash.

          The first 30% of all my tax goes to the local government (about the size of a county council. Any thing that I earn over this threshold (about 20k pa) is taxed at an additional 20 % and this goes to central government to squander on things that should not concern me (aid to other countries, laws that we do not need, that sort of stuff).

          So the guy who I voted for lives a few blocks away and uses the same supermarket as I do. His son goes to the same school as my eldest. In short his decisions effect him just as they effect me (unlike the UK).

          Local government takes care of things that we care about locally like schools, hospitals and so on. Central takes care of motorways and national things.
          "All around me I see chaos and confusion, my work here is done...."

          Comment


            #15
            Originally posted by bren586 View Post
            Having lived in Sweden for 8 years I have something of a feel for the place.

            The way local decision making differs is that it is backed up with cash.

            The first 30% of all my tax goes to the local government (about the size of a county council. Any thing that I earn over this threshold (about 20k pa) is taxed at an additional 20 % and this goes to central government to squander on things that should not concern me (aid to other countries, laws that we do not need, that sort of stuff).

            So the guy who I voted for lives a few blocks away and uses the same supermarket as I do. His son goes to the same school as my eldest. In short his decisions effect him just as they effect me (unlike the UK).

            Local government takes care of things that we care about locally like schools, hospitals and so on. Central takes care of motorways and national things.
            So everyone has the same standard of living as everyone else, you all live in regulation housing and abide by a million laws, give all your money to the government, want for nothing, aspire to nothing and no one can be better or worse off than anyone else?

            Sounds like communism and you can keep it. I aspire to something more than a grey average.

            Comment


              #16
              Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
              So everyone has the same standard of living as everyone else, you all live in regulation housing and abide by a million laws, give all your money to the government, want for nothing, aspire to nothing and no one can be better or worse off than anyone else?

              Sounds like communism and you can keep it. I aspire to something more than a grey average.
              You got it spot on there.

              Hence me not being in that part of the world anymore.
              "Condoms should come with a free pack of earplugs."

              Comment


                #17
                Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
                Sounds like communism and you can keep it. I aspire to something more than a grey average.
                WHS
                Rule #76: No excuses. Play like a champion.

                Comment


                  #18
                  Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
                  So everyone has the same standard of living as everyone else, you all live in regulation housing and abide by a million laws, give all your money to the government, want for nothing, aspire to nothing and no one can be better or worse off than anyone else?

                  Sounds like communism and you can keep it. I aspire to something more than a grey average.
                  Of course you aspire to something more than a grey average. You are a contractor!

                  There is some truth in the grey average, Sweden has the Svenssons. But have you been to any UK housing estate? Little boxes full of little people with no aspirations and bugger all future. Completely lacking in any culture, style or reason for existence. And the UK have 10s of millions of these people. Not sure what the difference is.

                  I do not fully grasp the mentality of trusting a politician to do your thinking for you (I am, after all, a contractor) and some things still startle me but on the plus side I get to live in a nice place where we have a shortage of scrotes.

                  One of the sayings that scares me the most in Sweden is "no one gets rich by working". This makes contractors a real necessity so my future is bright.

                  Not sure where ThomasSoerensen is located but currently Sweden suits me as I have small children.
                  "All around me I see chaos and confusion, my work here is done...."

                  Comment


                    #19
                    Originally posted by bren586 View Post
                    on the plus side I get to live in a nice place where we have a shortage of scrotes.
                    Are you Swedish, bren?

                    If so, much respect for your accomplished use of the English language!

                    Love it!

                    Rule #76: No excuses. Play like a champion.

                    Comment


                      #20
                      Also I think the original point was about local government and delivery of services. Mine works well and I am happy with the level of democracy - proportional representation.

                      Certainly better than the third world hell hole I used to live in waaay up North
                      "All around me I see chaos and confusion, my work here is done...."

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X