Now Legal to kill & Maim Burglars

[Xenophon]

Oh Xen, you are contradicting yourself into a corner here!
I understand both of Martins burglars were running away when he shot them, one was actualy in the grounds and not the house.

Where is the contradiction?

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Oh no, now I feel bad. C'mon PSB - we're just chatting. I know I am more 'red kneck' that many and yes I do ignore the 'grey' areas in favour of a clearer, simpler, 'black and white' world.

I guess I'd get to my limit as to when I can take action against someone pretty quickly, but not without a warning or two (a la the old bill). I just really hate the thought of any compassion for someone who purposefully steps into someone's home. I agree they can't just be executed, but they had better leave pretty damn quick in my opinion.

In that case, we're in total agreement!

It's interesting to find someone with actual knowledge of the Martin case - I have read lots about it in the press and on t'internet, but we all know that journos can't always be trusted.

I thought this was a reasonably balanced piece - but you may feel differently of course:

http://news.scotsman.com/tonymartin/...ony.2447565.jp

[chicane]

I have said all along that this was not the case for Martin and as you know the case so well you may be able to correct my understanding of his situation. I do not believe Martin could ever have been in danger given the situation he had engineered and as you said yourself

You seem to be missing the point. This is not about the guy being in danger - this was the least of his worries.

Imagine yourself living in one of the most deprived housing estates in the UK. Picture a scene of kids drinking in your garden late at night, peering through your windows. You come home from work every day to discover another item of your property stolen or smashed up. Imagine this happening several times a month over the last 5 years. None of the authorities are able or willing to take any action for whatever reason.

What exactly would you do to stop the above things happening and provide yourself with the quality of life we all expect as standard?

[TimberWolf]

You seem to be missing the point. This is not about the guy being in danger - this was the least of his worries.

Imagine yourself living in one of the most deprived housing estates in the UK. Picture a scene of kids drinking in your garden late at night, peering through your windows. You come home from work every day to discover another item of your property stolen or smashed up. Imagine this happening several times a month over the last 5 years. None of the authorities are able or willing to take any action for whatever reason.

What exactly would you do to stop the above things happening and provide yourself with the quality of life we all expect as standard?

In that situation how is shooting someone to death going to help. And how much longer do you think you will live before someone decides it is you that must die?

[Xenophon]

Oh Xen, you are contradicting yourself into a corner here!
I understand both of Martins burglars were running away when he shot them, one was actualy in the grounds and not the house.

You've lost me? I've been talking about my views on what is and isn't allowable when you are broken into. I haven't been talking about the Tony Martin case.

[The Lone Gunman]

Where is the contradiction?

Because they were "leaving pretty damn quick" as you put it when he shot them, a point at which you state they should not be sumarily executed, yet you support him shooting them.

[Xenophon]

In that case, we're in total agreement!

It's interesting to find someone with actual knowledge of the Martin case - I have read lots about it in the press and on t'internet, but we all know that journos can't always be trusted.

I thought this was a reasonably balanced piece - but you may feel differently of course:

http://news.scotsman.com/tonymartin/...ony.2447565.jp

The village of Emneth in Norfolk is small.

[The Lone Gunman]

You've lost me? I've been talking about my views on what is and isn't allowable when you are broken into. I haven't been talking about the Tony Martin case.

Oh sorry, I was pointing out how your opinion on defending your property was at odds with your support for Martin earlier.

[Xenophon]

Because they were "leaving pretty damn quick" as you put it when he shot them, a point at which you state they should not be sumarily executed, yet you support him shooting them.

Aha. I see.

My view on them legging it (and this is a comment on the TM case solely) is:

Too little too late.

Yes - I believe, in the TM case, he was justified in shooting them at that stage. I don't expect that view to be shared by many, but I am happy with it.

[Xenophon]

Oh sorry, I was pointing out how your opinion on defending your property was at odds with your support for Martin earlier.

Apology accepted.

It is not at odds. They hadn't just stumbled onto his property by mistake and were innocently wandering his grounds to try to get off them. They had terrorised that man for months.

Clear now?