Timekeeping situation ...thoughts plz

[skelm]

ClientCo has just decided that they are going to take data from all contractors security passes to check what time we contractors come and go and use that to verify time billed for.

Question is can they do this just like that? Or do they need HR to agree to that?

Sounds a bit silly as we all on daily rates so if we come in 10 mins late and go 5 minutes earlier what difference does that make as billing is per day?


Anyone had this before?

[TheBigYinJames]

Sounds a bit silly as we all on daily rates so if we come in 10 mins late and go 5 minutes earlier what difference does that make as billing is per day?
Anyone had this before?

Yes, and I'd been a bit iffy (like you) and they weren't happy about it, so I left

If you've agreed to work on a daily rate, and you have agreed what "a day" is contactually, then they have a reason to complain, those 5 minutes add up.

[Charles Foster Kane]

ClientCo has just decided that they are going to take data from all contractors security passes to check what time we contractors come and go and use that to verify time billed for.

Question is can they do this just like that? Or do they need HR to agree to that?

Sounds a bit silly as we all on daily rates so if we come in 10 mins late and go 5 minutes earlier what difference does that make as billing is per day?


Anyone had this before?

Pay the cleaner £5 a week to check in with your pass at 5AM, and out at 8PM. You will get a nice pay increase. Boomed.

[skelm]

Pay the cleaner a £5 a week to check in with your pass at 5AM, and out at 8PM. You will get a nice pay increase. Boomed.

have thought of that as an option!

[TykeMerc]

While I utterly despise "bums on seats" management as it merely displays an inability to manage people effectively, if the client insists that you're on site for x hours a week then they can. Any properly professional contractor will put in at least the effort that the client is actually paying for.

I'm far from sure on this, perhaps someone more IR35 savvy can answer this, but clocking in and out tends to imply client control/direction and so you, and more importantly for them, the client could get clobbered.

If you're basically clocking in like their permy staff then for them to be treating you as a contractor and not giving you employee benefits could arguably put the client in a dodgy spot.
Several contractors and I at my last gig pointed out that if the client insisted on seeing our driving licenses and insurances as part of one of their SHE drives then it would risk the IR35 status for us and them. Their counsel felt the same as soon as they checked and they backed away from all sorts of paperwork that they insisted on for the permies.

Pay the cleaner £5 a week to check in with your pass at 5AM, and out at 8PM. You will get a nice pay increase. Boomed

Which of course constitutes fraud

[Charles Foster Kane]

Which of course constitutes fraud

Who decided to bring the narc along?

[ratewhore]

TykeMerc is right on the D & C front. Ask yourself this - would they ask Accenture consultants to clock in and out?

[Charles Foster Kane]

Lose your card when they bring this 'rule' in. Lose the next card they give you. Lose the next card they give you after that. Rinse and repeat.

[chris79]

Stuff like this usually comes as a result of people taking the piss previously, so can't blame the client for wanting to use their own system to verify the work patterns by those people they are paying for. At the end of the day what they do with their own data is up to them, if they then decide they have an issue with your working behavior you can take one of 2 approaches, either tell them you work to your own rules, or work to their rules. If you choose to take the first approach you risk them having a problem with you and extensions or current contract may be put at risk though. Personally it might be easier just to go along with it, as frustrating as it may come across that they are treating you like perm staff.

[Charles Foster Kane]

Stuff like this usually comes as a result of people taking the piss previously, so can't blame the client for wanting to use their own system to verify the work patterns by those people they are paying for. At the end of the day what they do with their own data is up to them, if they then decide they have an issue with your working behavior you can take one of 2 approaches, either tell them you work to your own rules, or work to their rules. If you choose to take the first approach you risk them having a problem with you and extensions or current contract may be put at risk though. Personally it might be easier just to go along with it, as frustrating as it may come across that they are treating you like perm staff.

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