So why socialism?

[The Lone Gunman]

I think the problem here is the same problem with Chico. You don't like the answers he gives so you keep asking him to answer the question. I have given you the benefits of socialism, but your tiny minds can only see the wanga.

As with Chico, you have given us your idea of a utopian society which the more realistic know is not achievable.
Capitalism may promote greed, but that greed may well generate enough money for everybody to benefit a little.

What we realy need is a capitalist attitude to making money with a socialist conscience.

In all socialist experiments (even the most commited) there has still been a disparity between the haves and have nots.

[sasguru]

Classic mistake

Jabberwocky makes the classic mistake of supposing that capitalism is a zero-sum game i.e. someone who gets rich must necessarily be causing someone else to get poor. However this is not the case. Just take the woman who writes Harry Potter (forget her name). Multi-millionairess by providing pleasure to millions, for which they have to shell out a few quid.
That's the beauty of capitalism, we can all create non-zero-sum games, if we are creative enough.
On the other hand I agree there are rapacious conglomerates who may destroy the world.
What we have to promote is small-scale capitalism with proper competition, of which contractors are the ultimate exemplar.

[Jabberwocky]

>Nope, we're merely looking for justification for why we should work our bollx >off to support said socialist scum.

And who are you working your bollox off for now my simple minded friend ?

[John Galt]

I think the problem here is the same problem with Chico. You don't like the answers he gives so you keep asking him to answer the question. I have given you the benefits of socialism, but your tiny minds can only see the wanga. I hope at some point you will see that you are chasing something you can never have.

It is interesting to see how the proletariat has sucumbed to this mindset. Wealth is obtained through hard work, so we must work harder for masters.
If I am poor it is because I have not worked hard enough or I don't have the talent of my masters. It is they who judge talent of course. It reminds me of a BBC documentary of the mobile phone millonaire - who extolled his own "business intellegience" - that is intelligence measured by material wealth.

Jabber, as you say there is the same problem here as with Chico - you keep ramming your ideas down our throats and we keep asking you the same questions in the vain hope that you may answer.

Please give me 10 benefits of Socialism in order of personal perference.

Thanking you in advance

[Jabberwocky]

>What we have to promote is small-scale capitalism with proper competition, >of which contractors are the ultimate exemplar.

Yes I have fewer problems with contractors since they are rewarded directly for skills and knowledge. They do not exploit the poor to leverage that wealth. In contrast most large companies contribute very little to society.
It is debatable that Microsoft have contributed anything to society for example - they created a standard which the erd followed that is all.

[SupremeSpod]

>Nope, we're merely looking for justification for why we should work our bollx >off to support said socialist scum.

And who are you working your bollox off for now my simple minded friend ?

Don't confuse straight talking with being simple-minded. You come on this forum spouting your psuedo-intellectual faux-socialism, which is a very easy thing to do from a position of comfort.

The truth is that Socialism stinks. It is not, and never has been my responsibility to provide for lazy bastards who can't get off their backs of a morning and go and do their shift darn't pit!

Although, as I have said before, if I were a scouser or had some other debillitating disease, I might in that case expect the state to provide for me.

Spod.

[sasguru]

>What we have to promote is small-scale capitalism with proper competition, >of which contractors are the ultimate exemplar.

Yes I have fewer problems with contractors since they are rewarded directly for skills and knowledge. They do not exploit the poor to leverage that wealth. In contrast most large companies contribute very little to society.
It is debatable that Microsoft have contributed anything to society for example - they created a standard which the erd followed that is all.

I disagree that most companies exploit the poor. Some do. Many large corporates, electronic companies, car companies etc do in fact face huge competition which results in high quality products for increasingly cheaper prices. Even Microsoft, love em or hate em, have created a huge industry (one that millions have made a living from).
I do have a problem with certain mining and oil companies who propagate the status quo instead of looking for alternative sources of energy, which would solve quite a few problems.
Capitalism is imperfect but it mirrors imperfect human nature better than other systems. We are going to have to evolve a bit more as a species before we can hope for a better system.

[Jabberwocky]

>Don't confuse straight talking with being simple-minded.

Oh I see spud you support Veritas - alas you come across like your leader Kilroy - smelling of pig sh*t.

[SupremeSpod]

>Don't confuse straight talking with being simple-minded.

Oh I see spud you support Veritas - alas you come across like your leader Kilroy - smelling of pig sh*t.

Who said I support VERITAS? There you go again making assumptions.

BTW, why the reference to pig sh*t? Surely a sign if ever there was one that you're beginning to lose the argument.

[Rebecca Loos]

Only if you pay the same proportionate tax in the country that provided those things for you, only fair realy.

That's true. Didn't think of that, damn. I really need to start my own taxfree country.

I take it that you have a private health and pension scheme to cover the state ones you are not paying for too (I have objections to that even if you are).

I have neither but then I am not expecting the state to provide for me on these 2 fronts. Since to all intents and purposes I cannot use the NHS, I am more than happy to avoid paying for it. However, I do not object to paying a little NI which goes towards those less fortunate than me. As for pension, I belong to the Milan "plan A and B" school of thinking and create it myself. Again I feel I am quite fortunate in that I am in a position to do that, which is not be the case for everyone, so the little NI that I pay goes towards helping others, and that's cool.

Cool, I'd almost manage to morally justify my stance! Never thought it would work.........