Goodbye New Lie

[hyperD]

My wife did some work once with Blears....she describes her as "Useless". and that was her good point.

A decent society should prohibit the action of men punching women in the gob but with Blears I'd make an exception.

[Cyberman]

Or people hate Liebour that much.

Little do they realize that the tories are labour in disguise these days.

Labour have tried to imitate the Tories for the past 11 years. Unfortunately, they were not capable, and always resorted back to their socialist roots of bringing everything down to the lowest common denominator, with interference, and micro-management and maxi-tax. The Tories would certainly not have failed on immigration and crime, and taxes and waste would not be at the current unsustainable levels. I would even go as far as to say that in every area the Tories would have achieved better results than New Lie.

One of the biggest failures has been the incorporation of the Human Rights Act into our law by Blair against all the forewarning from the Tories, thus putting criminals in a position where they cannot be deported, have to be released early, and can even sue the government etc etc etc.

[Bagpuss]

The Tories would certainly not have failed on immigration and crime, and taxes and waste would not be at the current unsustainable levels.

Immigration, where is the difference in policy on this? The waves of immigration and asylum seeking started under the last government, I'm sure they were encouraging it as a method to drive down wages and thereby inflation.

Crime, they never really had a grip on that last time, all talk but little action, crime rose under the Thatcher government and didn't improve much afterwards.

Taxation: The current vogue of stealth taxing was stolen form the Tories i.e. raise indirect taxation and people won't notice e.g. introducing the fuel price escalator and doubling VAT. The only difference being direct taxes haven't been lowered. Indirect taxation is the major factor in why goods and services are so expensive in this country. It's great to get more tax free income, but not much use if the purchasing power is diminished.


You seem to be expecting some kind of Shangri la under the next governement, when the fact is it will be more of the same with some slight improvements.

[Moose423956]

You seem to be expecting some kind of Shangri la under the next governement, when the fact is it will be more of the same with some slight improvements.

Maybe, but at least we won't have to look at Mr Droopy-Jaws.

[sunnysan]

Dave C

Basically I tend to agree with the "more of the same".

I dont think people are making the choice on the policies of the torys but more because of a loathing for the arrogant, condescending "Fairness" and "Choice" drones that regurgitate packaged NL propaganda.

[Bagpuss]

Basically I tend to agree with the "more of the same".

I dont think people are making the choice on the policies of the torys but more because of a loathing for the arrogant, condescending "Fairness" and "Choice" drones that regurgitate packaged NL propaganda.

The Government is old and stale. The public are sick of being patronised by condescending sycophants like Hazel Blairs and Harriot Harmon. Despite the economy being in (according to Brown) 'good shape' a couple of months ago,
the current party woes are being blamed on the world economy. The classic political get out clause i.e. under boom times that's attributed to the government, under the bad times it's the world economy, the last government used exactly the same approach in the 90s, it didn't work then and it won't work now. Wouldn't it be nice to see a politician actually take some blame and accountability?
The Labour party are not listening to this clear message and have decided repeated. They are the architect of their own demise but are too removed from the people to see it.

I hope the Cameron government (as looks likely ) do not go down the route of passing the buck. The country needs strong government that is in touch with the electorate not more autocracy and condescending attitude. I hope he begins to formulate policy that takes on the failures, in short I hope he has some balls and isn't in it for the power trip, only time will tell.

[Cyberman]

Immigration, where is the difference in policy on this? The waves of immigration and asylum seeking started under the last government, I'm sure they were encouraging it as a method to drive down wages and thereby inflation.

Crime, they never really had a grip on that last time, all talk but little action, crime rose under the Thatcher government and didn't improve much afterwards.

Taxation: The current vogue of stealth taxing was stolen form the Tories i.e. raise indirect taxation and people won't notice e.g. introducing the fuel price escalator and doubling VAT. The only difference being direct taxes haven't been lowered. Indirect taxation is the major factor in why goods and services are so expensive in this country. It's great to get more tax free income, but not much use if the purchasing power is diminished.


You seem to be expecting some kind of Shangri la under the next governement, when the fact is it will be more of the same with some slight improvements.

Tory policy was to limit immigration from new EU states such as Poland, which the Germans and French did with their seven year moratorium, to protect their economies from crime and cheap labour. New Lie opted to allow all and sundry in, despite forewarning by the Tories of a massive influx. New Lie said we would get only 13,000 Poles, but we have had 2 million or so, and growing!! Quite a difference in policy there!!!

Crime under New Lie is far worse that under Thatcher. Guns and knives are rife on our streets nowadays and violent crime has gone through the roof. We never had the level of knife, guns and drugs crimes that we see now. Murders in London are totally out of control.
I was physically assaulted myself by an immigrant who two weeks later was granted a British Passport.

The fuel price escalator and VAT increases were well publicised by the Tories and people understood the situation. The true stealth taxes were removal of tax credits within pensions, costing well over 100 Billion lost to those investors and the 10% abolition which was dressed up as a tax cut, and very few understood the implications of initially and New Lie have built on, budget after budget. On top of that we have the constant failure to align tax bands with inflation, bringing millions more people into paying tax and also of course the doubling of council taxes with hidden reductions in services!! I am sure others here can add many more to my list.

Please also take note that the Tories reduced the top marginal rate from 60% to 40%. I have yet to see any meaningful tax cuts under New Lie and do not expect any from a spendthrift party.

[Moose423956]

Tory policy was to limit immigration from new EU states such as Poland, which the Germans and French did with their seven year moratorium, to protect their economies from crime and cheap labour. New Lie opted to allow all and sundry in, despite forewarning by the Tories of a massive influx. New Lie said we would get only 13,000 Poles, but we have had 2 million or so, and growing!! Quite a difference in policy there!!!

Crime under New Lie is far worse that under Thatcher. Guns and knives are rife on our streets nowadays and violent crime has gone through the roof. We never had the level of knife, guns and drugs crimes that we see now. Murders in London are totally out of control.
I was physically assaulted myself by an immigrant who two weeks later was granted a British Passport.

The fuel price escalator and VAT increases were well publicised by the Tories and people understood the situation. The true stealth taxes were removal of tax credits within pensions, costing well over 100 Billion lost to those investors and the 10% abolition which was dressed up as a tax cut, and very few understood the implications of initially and New Lie have built on, budget after budget. On top of that we have the constant failure to align tax bands with inflation, bringing millions more people into paying tax and also of course the doubling of council taxes with hidden reductions in services!! I am sure others here can add many more to my list.

Please also take note that the Tories reduced the top marginal rate from 60% to 40%. I have yet to see any meaningful tax cuts under New Lie and do not expect any from a spendthrift party.

Thanks for writing that, I'm not eloquent enough.

[sasguru]

The Government is old and stale. The public are sick of being patronised by condescending sycophants like Hazel Blairs and Harriot Harmon. Despite the economy being in (according to Brown) 'good shape' a couple of months ago,
the current party woes are being blamed on the world economy. The classic political get out clause i.e. under boom times that's attributed to the government, under the bad times it's the world economy, the last government used exactly the same approach in the 90s, it didn't work then and it won't work now. Wouldn't it be nice to see a politician actually take some blame and accountability?
The Labour party are not listening to this clear message and have decided repeated. They are the architect of their own demise but are too removed from the people to see it.

I hope the Cameron government (as looks likely ) do not go down the route of passing the buck. The country needs strong government that is in touch with the electorate not more autocracy and condescending attitude. I hope he begins to formulate policy that takes on the failures, in short I hope he has some balls and isn't in it for the power trip, only time will tell.

We don't know anything about the current crop of Tories. But historically they have been better at using the tax take more efficiently.
Gordo's big mistake, and one the voters are increasingly beginning to see, is that his "prudent" tag was completely false - a sensible government would have seen an inevitable downturn coming (after all even us CUKKERS have been saying this for years) and squirreled away something from the boom times. This government hasn't - and it'll lose them the election.

[Bagpuss]

Tory policy was to limit immigration from new EU states such as Poland, which the Germans and French did with their seven year moratorium, to protect their economies from crime and cheap labour. New Lie opted to allow all and sundry in, despite forewarning by the Tories of a massive influx. New Lie said we would get only 13,000 Poles, but we have had 2 million or so, and growing!! Quite a difference in policy there!!!

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EU workers are allowed to work here, that would be no different under the Tories, what do you expect them to do?

I remember a large influx of asylum seekers in the 90s before labour, the Tories had no grip on immigration and AFAIR openly welcomed it infact enlargement of the EU (and the internal market) to the former Communist bloc was one of the great missions of John Major's Conservative government.

Crime under New Lie is far worse that under Thatcher. Guns and knives are rife on our streets nowadays and violent crime has gone through the roof. We never had the level of knife, guns and drugs crimes that we see now. Murders in London are totally out of control.
I was physically assaulted myself by an immigrant who two weeks later was granted a British Passport.
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Knife crime is worse, and sentencing is less tough, but crime overall is no worse. The Tories struggled on Crime, it rised on their watch.

The fuel price escalator and VAT increases were well publicised by the Tories and people understood the situation.

Don't be daft, they were stealth taxes, they weren't well publicised. However, the fuel price escalator was dressed up as an environmental issue. It would be political suicide to 'publicise' stealth taxing.

The current Goverment has taken stealth taxes to a whole new level but the idea is a Conservative one (like many which they have stolen) which I hope they drop if elected.

I'm afraid you won't get what you are looking for because it doesn't exist. You either get a government who taxes income or puts the burden on goods and services you will never get one who is light on both.