Labour in 'lowest ever' poll rating

[Cyberman]

There is nothing to suggest that the conservatives are going to do any better than NL. Same old awful public services, same old complex high tax and squander.

At least we will have a toff in charge so table manners at cabinet meetings will improve.

You are just plain wrong there. In the long run tax will fall under the Tories. The current tax level attained by years of profligate New Lie spending is unsustainable.
It is quite easy to reduce tax from the current levels as so much is plainly wasted on tax credits(billions in overpayment errors every year), welfare state(billions in fraudulent claims in incapacity benefit etc), public sector pensions(must be reduced because unsustainable), binning of ID card scheme will save 27 Billion, and controls must be put on Olympic spending that is another New Lie black hole.
In addition, Thatcher proved that if you reduce tax rates, the exchequer also gets more revenue as there is less avoidance/evasion.

[DodgyAgent]

You are just plain wrong there. In the long run tax will fall under the Tories. The current tax level attained by years of profligate New Lie spending is unsustainable.
It is quite easy to reduce tax from the current levels as so much is plainly wasted on tax credits(billions in overpayment errors every year), welfare state(billions in fraudulent claims in incapacity benefit etc), public sector pensions(must be reduced because unsustainable), binning of ID card scheme will save 27 Billion, and controls must be put on Olympic spending that is another New Lie black hole.
In addition, Thatcher proved that if you reduce tax rates, the exchequer also gets more revenue as there is less avoidance/evasion.

First of all Thatcher was a one off (not the wrist). Secondly the conservatives will not cut tax for fear of "cutting services". They may make life a bit easier for private institutions but they will not make the reforms to the public sector that are needed.

So expect much of the same, but delivered with plummier accents.

[Cyberman]

First of all Thatcher was a one off (not the wrist). Secondly the conservatives will not cut tax for fear of "cutting services". They may make life a bit easier for private institutions but they will not make the reforms to the public sector that are needed.

So expect much of the same, but delivered with plummier accents.

They don't need to cut tax initially. Purely by reducing billions in waste they will have more available revenue to spend. Once they have more available to spend, tax rates can be reduced. Tackled this way, no services cuts will be necessary.
New Lie have never seriously tried to get value for money for anything in 10 years in power, so there are masses of areas ripe for efficiency savings, which can provide better services for less funding. Unfortunately, New Lie simply have not had the intelligence or wherewithall to do this, as their philosophy is tax, tax, tax.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

First of all Thatcher was a one off (not the wrist). Secondly the conservatives will not cut tax for fear of "cutting services". They may make life a bit easier for private institutions but they will not make the reforms to the public sector that are needed.

So expect much of the same, but delivered with plummier accents.

DA - I agree with you on this. I also think we need a change, though, and Brwon richly deserves to go down - not least for ID cards.

[Cyberman]

DA - I agree with you on this. I also think we need a change, though, and Brwon richly deserves to go down - not least for ID cards.

New Lie have failed in every area. All the Tories have to achieve is to be less incompetent than New Lie, and this will be so easy. I expect New Lie to be out of power for at least 10 years and hopefully much much longer.

[snaw]

name one

Aright. I believe in societies responsibility to provide some basic level of assistance for every member. Irrespective (Apart from those taking the piss and moving here for a bigger pension). No one should starve, go cold, have no access to education, that kind of thing.

That's not to say it should be cushy, which is how you normally interpret me saying that. If you can work, and it is available then it should be pitched at a level that makes work the preferable option.

[Lucy]

Aright. I believe in societies responsibility to provide some basic level of assistance for every member. Irrespective (Apart from those taking the piss and moving here for a bigger pension). No one should starve, go cold, have no access to education, that kind of thing.

So, why be forced to care for people?

If you got your tax back, would you pay for others to receive these things?

[DodgyAgent]

Aright. I believe in societies responsibility to provide some basic level of assistance for every member. Irrespective (Apart from those taking the piss and moving here for a bigger pension). No one should starve, go cold, have no access to education, that kind of thing.

That's not to say it should be cushy, which is how you normally interpret me saying that. If you can work, and it is available then it should be pitched at a level that makes work the preferable option.

fine,

so do i, but you dont need to be a leftie in believing that.

[snaw]

So, why be forced to care for people?

If you got your tax back, would you pay for others to receive these things?

Well for me that's what I'd classify as a civilised society, at a minimum. The majority of the society we live in agrees with me. Appreciate there'll be a disproportionate bias here which probably doesn't, but we live in a democratic modern world so you gotta pay.

[EternalOptimist]

How many of us have a public accounts committee ? If you are spending money that you had to work hard to earn, you dont need someone checking up whether you got value for money.
The problem with governemnts is that they are spending other peoples money, and thats the easiest thing in the world to do. The labour party is stuffed with people who have NEVER had to work hard to earn their crust, getting value for money is a new concept to most of them