Scots trying to get Berwick on Tweed

[Churchill]

King John's reign has been traditionally characterised as one of the most disastrous in English history

Hmmm, must be, it says so on Wikipedia - word for word!

[daviejones]

Hmmm, must be, it says so on Wikipedia - word for word!

That is my point...most of the stuff on there is tulip...

[shaunbhoy]

Hmmm, must be, it says so on Wikipedia - word for word!

Thanks for the input churchill. Relevant as ever. Keep it up.

[Churchill]

Thanks for the input churchill. Relevant as ever. Keep it up.

Irony never was your strong point was it?

[daviejones]

Irony never was your strong point was it?

Ironing -

[shaunbhoy]

Irony never was your strong point was it?

Nor wit yours.
Try next time to lace your irony with a smidgen of humour if you don't want to be taken for the one-dimensional gobshyte you clearly show yourself to be.

[Churchill]

Nor wit yours.
Try next time to lace your irony with a smidgen of humour if you don't want to be taken for the one-dimensional gobshyte you clearly show yourself to be.

Glad you agree.

[someone has my name]

Hmm...Glasgow...not a nice place IMO...Edinburgh is far nicer...

And Ayrshire.. better than both!

[expat]

Here we go again back into Scottish mythology, perpetuating Scotland being constantly invaded. Scotland won its independence way back in the middle ages since then it was either independent, or "ruling" England via the Stewarts, or opted for the Union because of the greedy Scottish gentry and just a reminder that at Culloden there were more Scots fighting in the "british" army than for Bonny Prince Charlie, on whose side Englishmen were fighting, and English people were also slaughtered after the rebellion.

So what you mean expat is the single period of English rule.

You can check this all out in the history department at Edinburgh university, ...and I do have Scottish family

That never stopped anyone I know from saying something stupid, myself included .

I was actually referring to periods of English or Scottish rule of Berwick, not English rule of Scotland, but since you raise the subject.... I do know the history, and while your individual facts are quite correct, your overall view is not.

Scotland didn't come into being by winning its independence, rather it was formed from smaller kingdoms somewhat before the middle ages, and then had to defend its independence, which it did successfully with little help from its abysmal nobility, until they finally sold it.

The fact that Scotland defended itself successfully from invasion is not the same as saying that it was not invaded.

[expat]

Oh God not the Barnet Formula again. This is an arithmetical calculation for the process of giving back to Scotland a part (<100%) of what Scotland pays to the Treasury. It is not a gift from the long-suffering English to the freeloading Scots.