Extension or New Contract?

[SandyDown]

My existing contract team structure has changed, now a new idiot programme manger is asking all contractors (5 of us) to sign time in and time out log, I rejected that and told them no can do... I am a consultant and can't sign time in / time out (IR35 thingy) emailed my agent and told them am not going to sign this log becasue its a change in terms. Called the new agency and asked them to send me a contract in writing.

The new contract arrived around 5 pm, am sooooo pi$$ed off, originally when agreeing roles to go for I spoke with one agent, but she went on holiday and someone else took over, everything was cool, client phoned me a couple of times and am getting so excited about the role... as usual the agency puts in contract a different rate than the one agreed (reduced by £50 a day) am sooo iffing pi$$ed off, I suppose I shouldn't have appeared so excited and keen....

I may find myself with no contract !!

[vetran]

You haven't rocked the boat where you are have you?

Tell the new agent that there seems to be a mistake on the new contract and ask for the rate to be corrected. Only ask for the rate negotiated, you are honest Sandy the good contractor. It was on offer, if he cut himself a bigger slice of the pie then he needs to go on a diet, if its his mistake he can correct it.

Get the contract IR35 cleared etc. get some nice concessions. But most of all tell him you have a renewal in your hand, better the devil you know etc. Tell him he has 48 hours to sort it. He will blink first, the client wants you.

Delay signing the paperwork for the current contract, forget etc. Verbal is no contract.

See if new one comes up trumps. If it does then up your rate, change your conditions and mention the luvvy names preferably with HR in the room saying its unnerving you. Your PM will have a new respect for women inside the hour, you will be known as Maam for the rest of your contract.


Whichever comes up best take it and apologise to the other. They wouldn't think twice about stitching you.

If its the new client phone them and apologise, you really don't want to upset your current client etc, you might have but their agent messed you about with the rate and you have now comitted to your current client
but would love to work with them in future.

[SandyDown]

Thanks Veteran, just did a search of all my emails sent back and forth to the agent, I have one that I asked her to confirm interview details, job specs, locations and rate..... unfortunately the agent replied confirming everything apart from the rate, I didn't notice on the day because I was very busy, but as we spoke verbally about it, an I know I haven't applied for anything that is advertised below my rate (am not desperate yet, so didn't see the need to apply for a lower rate), I didn't worry too much... anyway I told them I wont accept the contract at that rate... as for my present contract, I believe the rest of the contractors are going to reject this sign on/off log as well, so think the agency will sort it out for us.... didn't really rock the boat with the client at all.

Oh my PM no longer calls me lovie, I think he thinks am a bitch now

He is really a useless old man, he is about 63 or 64 and I have to explain things to him several times before he gets it, sometimes after I speak with him I send him a written explanation, he was a second hand car salesman before getting into IT PM work , his wife owns a pub, and 90% of the time he is on the phone managing the pub business, the rest of the time doing what second hand car salesman do, just being slimy and try to lick the arse off the permies...

Unfortunately as I said the structure all changed, and the team doesn’t have proper leadership any longer, they just put all contractors together, there is no one to talk to or raise issues/risks to, and the PM as I said is useless, never saw him utter a word in any of the meetings held…. However, who gives a $hit, if they pay me Ok then I’ll stick it.

[SandyDown]

Just watched a heart breaking story about women in the 3rd world having to work all day in the fields - in the heat or the snow, for a total of $3.5 a day !!


All have a large families to support too

[OwlHoot]

Verbal is no contract.

That's not strictly true. See link

[SandyDown]

That's not strictly true. See link

Accepted subject to seeing the written contract, if I haven't seen the written contract and there is a condition I didn't like - then I'd negotiate, btw I did tell them I'd need to get my contract reviewed.

[PAH]

Just watched a heart breaking story about women in the 3rd world having to work all day in the fields - in the heat or the snow, for a total of $3.5 a day !!


All have a large families to support too

Won't stop you from buying your food and tat that's produced in these countries where cheap labour is exploited though will it.

Slave labour by proxy. That's alright then, we can pretend to be ignorant. Pass me the Argos catalogue I need a new plastic piece of junk to fill a corner of a cupboard I rarely ever open.

[cojak]

as usual the agency puts in contract a different rate than the one agreed (reduced by £50 a day)

typical of CP types - just tell them 'no' and walk away you're not desperate and they can see commission walking out of the door.

They'll give you your original rate...

[Sockpuppet]

Just watched a heart breaking story about women in the 3rd world having to work all day in the fields - in the heat or the snow, for a total of $3.5 a day !!

Yes, but they are not spending $3 for a loaf of bread are there. A loaf is likely to cost about $0.10 or less.

[PAH]

Yes, but they are not spending $3 for a loaf of bread are there. A loaf is likely to cost about $0.10 or less.

If they're working the fields they'd be making their own bread for nothing.

Money is practically useless for them, everything they need is either self-provided or donated by various charities. Think of it as The Good Life abroad.