When will they ban guns?

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Yes, illegal gun ownership is growing, this is among criminals not law abiding citizens who are disarmed.

So the solution to growing illegal gun ownership is legal gun ownership? I didn't agree with the ban so I'd favour a return to the previous situation, but I don't buy the self defence argument - it just wouldn't work.

People who are "too weak and too old" are already targeted, perhaps the police will have more time protecting them from those scumbags who I hope will be meeting their end during yet another crime instead of being left out on parole because jails are full.

?? There will be fewer criminals because we'll have shot them? But I thought you said they wouldn't do it if they risked being shot?

[AtW]

So the solution to growing illegal gun ownership is legal gun ownership? I didn't agree with the ban so I'd favour a return to the previous situation, but I don't buy the self defence argument - it just wouldn't work.

Look, good people have right to self-defence - handguns are just effective means of self-defence that help bridge the big gap between criminals who choose time and place of their attack, and relatively weak people who would not have a chance in hand to hand combat with criminals who maybe more than one: at the very least this country should allow electro-shockers, ffs, even CS gas is not allowed in this country, just why the heck?

But I thought you said they wouldn't do it if they risked being shot?

Some of them will need to be shot before others get the message.

[Mailman]

So the solution to growing illegal gun ownership is legal gun ownership? I didn't agree with the ban so I'd favour a return to the previous situation, but I don't buy the self defence argument - it just wouldn't work.

You are talking sh1t.

The solution to illegal gun ownership is to hammer the bastards who have guns illegally...maybe introduce a death sentence perhaps?

?? There will be fewer criminals because we'll have shot them? But I thought you said they wouldn't do it if they risked being shot?

That would be the intelligent ones or the ones who havent been shot yet!

Anyways...one of your earlier flawed arguements revolved around them peace loving, law abiding scrotes arming themselves...however what you conveniently ignore is that the hard core are probably already armed anyway!

Mailman

[AlfredJPruffock]

...however what you conveniently ignore is that the hard core are probably already armed anyway!

Good point - and all too true - unfortunately.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

.......at the very least this country should allow electro-shockers, ffs, even CS gas is not allowed in this country, just why the heck?

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How the heck could you work out if you were selling a taser or CS gas to a mugger or a potential victim? Or are you suggesting you'd need a licence for CS gas?

Considering the type of daft thick chavs we seem to specialise in in certain areas of this country I think it's good they can't get CS gas and shockers.

[AtW]

...however what you conveniently ignore is that the hard core are probably already armed anyway!

Good point - and all too true - unfortunately.

Well, it the job of the police to deal with those poeple - if they are armed and resist then get them shot. Frankly, that's what police should do, not put signs everywhere - "WARNING: Burglars are known to operate in this area - take care!" FFS, anyone who thought up of this warning should be fired because such warning means police is not doing their job!

[Churchill]

Well, it the job of the police to deal with those poeple - if they are armed and resist then get them shot. Frankly, that's what police should do, not put signs everywhere - "WARNING: Burglars are known to operate in this area - take care!" FFS, anyone who thought up of this warning should be fired because such warning means police is not doing their job!

Instead of bitching, why not join the local "specials"? In your area it's spelt "R E T A R D S!".

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Well, it the job of the police to deal with those poeple - if they are armed and resist then get them shot. Frankly, that's what police should do, not put signs everywhere - "WARNING: Burglars are known to operate in this area - take care!" FFS, anyone who thought up of this warning should be fired because such warning means police is not doing their job!

Atw - I totally agree about those signs - I just don't agree about the idea of giving everyone firearms for self-defence - I just don't think it would work.

[AtW]

Atw - I totally agree about those signs - I just don't agree about the idea of giving everyone firearms for self-defence - I just don't think it would work.

No, I don't advocate giving guns to everyone - far from it. Guns should be expensive, come with insurance for any 3rd party damage (say £500 per year, 1 mln gun owners will generate 500 mln - that should be high enough to offset any damage some of them could cause, with 5 mln gun owners the amount is even higher), there must be regular tests on how to deal with different situations for example when someone breaks into your house - let SAS teach people techniques, all this won't be free of course, so guns won't be for a 16 year old misfit, frankly I think lowest age for gun ownership should be maybe 25, and for concealed carrying 30+.

Thing is you don't need 100% of population armed, even if 10% armed this means that in 1 in 10 cases criminals will face guns, does not sound big risk? Well, think different - probability of criminal AVOIDING gun conflict in this case would be 0.9, however criminals don't do crimes once and that's it, they do mroe than one crime, so in 2nd instance, probability that they will still avoid gun conflict is 0.9*0.9=0.81, 10 crimes and they would only have 30% chance to avoid being shot. Add to this publicity for each case and they will quickly learn how to do something else than attack people, they will probably steal more cars etc, but not when owner is around.

[AtW]

Instead of bitching, why not join the local "specials"? In your area it's spelt "R E T A R D S!".

Yeah, I was thinking to do that when I get time - after SKAs success