New BNP Hit Single

[BrilloPad]

I didn't read these reports you've posted, I was basing my answer on a news report that I heard and which pretty much said what I wrote originally.

Unfortunately, news reports, written or otherwise, aren't always a good basis to form an opinion on the facts as they can distort the truth.

hear hear. I was involved in a media manipulation organisation. papers exist to sell papers.

what always gets me is the morons who buy and read such tosh.

[thunderlizard]

From the Google catalogue entry for the www.last.fm record of that song:

People who like British National Party also like No Remorse, Blood & Honour, Kristalna Noc

Now there's a playlist to liven up your Christmas party.

[Pondlife]

WTF???

[NotAllThere]

It wasn't until I read a Denny post that I realised that this was really old.

[BoredBloke]

It wasn't until I read a Denny post that I realised that this was really old.

It wasn't until I read yousr I realised. I should have known as he seems to talk more about the great comet now.

[TheFaQQer]

Where is NickyG anyway?

[scotspine]

Where is NickyG anyway?

not here, thankfully...

[xoggoth]

Along with Ferret I must be one of the few on the board to actually have known a couple of Somali asylum seekers. Not well, I used to drink with them in my local in Bristol and they came to my flat for drinks after chucking out time on a couple of occasions. They were nice blokes, perfect English.

However, " I knew some xxx and they were lovely" is not an argument on anything. Most people are pretty pleasant if you get to know them but that doesn't change the raw facts and it is those that should guide us. I haven't heard the BNP song but the welfare, prison and housing statistics indicate that Somalis, among others, are not an asset to the UK by any stretch of the imagination.

We should be wary of the seeing everyone from these places solely as an innocent victim. The relationship of any society with its citizens is a two way process, they create the society as much as it creates them and the problems of almost every migrant/ethnic group in the UK mirrors the problems in their country of origin just as yobbish/drunken/lewd behavour mirrors ours abroad.

In the UK, gang crime among Somalis, benefit dependency/begging among the Roma, absentee fathers and school drop outs among Afro Carribeans are problems that are at least as great in those countries. The relative wealth of Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK mirrors the relative success of those countries and I doubt that is coincidence either. Their own success is a measure of the education, skills and self belief they brought with them.

UK citizens do not have a duty to fund a fast track to first world society for third world citizens. In a world of 6bn+ people we can't afford to do so regardless of sympathies we might have.

[xoggoth]

I tend to agree on daft criteria for removal. If we are going to remove all illegals/failed AS, that's fine by me but since we do not seem to be able to it makes sense to concentrate on the least desirable. It is really annoying to see rules are rules trotted out when it is a skilled footballer or some other potentially useful sort.

[gingerjedi]

Along with Ferret I must be one of the few on the board to actually have known a couple of Somali asylum seekers. Not well, I used to drink with them in my local in Bristol and they came to my flat for drinks after chucking out time on a couple of occasions. They were nice blokes, perfect English.

However, " I knew some xxx and they were lovely" is not an argument on anything. Most people are pretty pleasant if you get to know them but that doesn't change the raw facts and it is those that should guide us. I haven't heard the BNP song but the welfare, prison and housing statistics indicate that Somalis, among others, are not an asset to the UK by any stretch of the imagination.

We should be wary of the seeing everyone from these places solely as an innocent victim. The relationship of any society with its citizens is a two way process, they create the society as much as it creates them and the problems of almost every migrant/ethnic group in the UK mirrors the problems in their country of origin just as yobbish/drunken/lewd behavour mirrors ours abroad.

In the UK, gang crime among Somalis, benefit dependency/begging among the Roma, absentee fathers and school drop outs among Afro Carribeans are problems that are at least as great in those countries. The relative wealth of Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK mirrors the relative success of those countries and I doubt that is coincidence either. Their own success is a measure of the education, skills and self belief they brought with them.

UK citizens do not have a duty to fund a fast track to first world society for third world citizens. In a world of 6bn+ people we can't afford to do so regardless of sympathies we might have.

Spot on.