Ex-CIA agent: We used torture and it worked

[Mailman]

ridiculous

So the 4 figure rate is Zim dollars is it?

Depends on whether thats four groups of lots of numbers with a number bigger than 0 at the front

Mailman

[Diver]

People who suggest torture as a solution for anything should be first tortured and only if they still stick to this view after good few sessions then their opinion should be worth anything.

I stick with my view

[AtW]

I stick with my view

No you would not.

[Diver]

No you would not.

How little you know, my friend, how very little

[AtW]

How little you know, my friend, how very little

Ok, here is some reality check for you - they will cut off one of your hands and ask you to sign confession that you slept with Bin Laden in Tora Bora caves, if you don't sign it they chop off your leg, then another one, you get the idea? I am sure you'd sign anything after losing first limb. In fact I am certain that if you are put in a camera where you can hear screaming people next door "DONT CUT OFF MY HAND. AAAAAAAAAAA" and you being presented with an axe and short story what will happen if you don't sign, then you would sign anything just like any other normal person.

[Board Game Geek]

Well, the simple answer is to not torture them then.

Arrest then, give them a jolly good ticking off, and send them on their way.

I'm sure that will work.

[AtW]

Arrest then, give them a jolly good ticking off, and send them on their way.

Torture does not work, period. It was used extensively in the past and it never was a deciding factor in any struggle. If CIA achieved such great results where are the court cases about those "prevented" terrorist acts that they achieved on the basis of this information? Fundamentally terrorists now operate on a cell level, there is no top to bottom command line, no industry secrets no nothing of the normal type, so torturing people is not going to reveal much information anyway.

Frankly the danger of terrorism is overrated - every year in the UK 3500 people die from traffic accidents, this is 50 times 7-7 number, yet not a lot is done about it and noone is panicing. Everything has a price and maybe terrorism is the price for world leadership, it is a fairly small price so sacrificing civil freedoms and principles for it is insane thing to do.

[snaw]

I'm feeling a little dirty. I sort of 100% agree with AtW. <-- what he said!!

[AtW]

I'm feeling a little dirty. I sort of 100% agree with AtW. <-- what he said!!

Sounds like you need to be tortured to change your view

[Board Game Geek]

Having just read this Does torture really work?, I've changed my opinion. At least the article is well written by someone in the field who knows all the answers, and I find myself agreeing with him.

Which leaves the only solution being execution after torture.

You may get some information (possibly unreliable), but at least you have 1 less terrorist to worry about.

Human Rights doesn't even come in to it. The moment he or she joined a terrorist organisation with the intent to commit deliberate acts of murder on innocents, and was caught attempting such acts, is the moment their human rights end and my human right to a safe and secure life takes precedence.

Releasing proven terrorists back in to society is not a smart move.