McClaren for the Chop

[DS23]

If Russia beat Israel it's all over for us.

true sas but can israel still get through if they beat russia and other results go their way? if there is a mathematical chance then they might play with more determination to win which will then increase englands chances.

[tim123]

is it all the managers fault? what about thr players?

Cos the manager is supposed to motivate the players, that his job (one of them).

The problem is that none of the prima donnas that earn 5 million quid a year for playing in the league, care a toss about how well they do when they play for England. Qualification for the Euro/World cup finals affects their income by the square root of **** all.

tim

[TheFaQQer]

The group should have been easy for Hingaland. Russia have beat no-one of note (are Hingaland of note?) and are a distinctly average team with no stars. The only conclusion is Hingaland are vastly overated.

The group was tricky rather than taxing. We should have got through for sure on our own, rather than relying on Macedonia, Israel and Andorra to do us a favour.

[TheFaQQer]

true sas but can israel still get through if they beat russia and other results go their way? if there is a mathematical chance then they might play with more determination to win which will then increase englands chances.

The best Israel could get to would be 23 points if they win their two remaining matches. That puts them level with England (if we lose to Croatia) or behind, so no - Israel cannot qualify.

The only teams that can qualify are Croatia (who need a point from two games), Russia (who need to win two games) and England (who need to win and for others to lose).

Even if Russia lose to Israel, we'd still need at least a point against Croatia (depending on what they do against Macedonia).

[TheFaQQer]

Cos the manager is supposed to motivate the players, that his job (one of them).

The problem is that none of the prima donnas that earn 5 million quid a year for playing in the league, care a toss about how well they do when they play for England. Qualification for the Euro/World cup finals affects their income by the square root of **** all.

tim

A little of both - the manager needs to pick the team and come up with some degree of tactics. Against Croatia, it was blatantly obvious that he had no idea about tactics.

[sasguru]

true sas but can israel still get through if they beat russia and other results go their way? if there is a mathematical chance then they might play with more determination to win which will then increase englands chances.

No Israel are definitely out. We need to bung them a "sweetener".

[AtW]

Should have put BAE executives in charge - they would make a few "commission" payments to numbered Swiss accounts and win all the way.

[sasguru]

Should have put BAE executives in charge - they would make a few "commission" payments to numbered Swiss accounts and win all the way.

I think Gordo has to tell the Israelis that all arms shipments to Israel will cease unless Israel win. The Israelis seem to produce miracles when their national security is threatened.

[poser]

A little of both - the manager needs to pick the team and come up with some degree of tactics. Against Croatia, it was blatantly obvious that he had no idea about tactics.

true, but my point is, if the players dont want to make it happen, it wont. I think the FA should punish poor performances on the national side in way of monetary penalties, but for god sakes dont pay them anymore to do a cr*p job.

[Bagpuss]

At least were are def better than isreal, who are ranked 22 places below us

England FIFA ranking 9
Croatia 10
Russia 26
Isreal 33
Macedonia 67
Estonia 127
Andora 169