Immigration - BBC One, Monday 23 July at 2030 BST

[Old Greg]

I remember the same thing being said ten years ago,

it doesn't add up, these share prices don't add up these company valuations don't add up


I also remember there were those who made, and those who lost

as it happened more lost than made

some of those who made got out earlier and made less than those who got out a little later but they made

I remember the bloke who started Demon Internet being critiscised for getting out too early but looking back he made and well done to him, many stayed in and lost


the point I am trying to get to is,

for sure there will be a lot who lose,

but there will also be those who make and get out

and the moral of the story is control your greed and do not be ashamed of getting out earlier but successfully

the hardest thing to do in all of this is call the top


Milan.

A while ago I read about an 80-something year old American beef industry baron worth $800 million or so and still working. He was sneering at British entrepreneurs who sell out for 5 million, retire and let someone else clean up on the other 95% of money to be made. Very odd.

[milanbenes]

Gregory,

are you saying the old american beef millionaire alse thinks immigration is good ?

Milan.

[Old Greg]

Gregory,

are you saying the old american beef millionaire alse thinks immigration is good ?

Milan.

No, he can't understand why people don't sell out, take the money and run, rather than spend their whole lives slogging away to become super-rich.

[xoggoth]

It sound free markety but it is questionable if house prices have much to do with population. Did the population suddenly drop to cause the last period of falling equity? The next crash will not be due to the black death either, it is about earnings and confidence.

Immigration of high earners is a benefit but that of the great majority is anything but. Average earners (with a VERY few exceptions where wealth generated by the job is disproportionate to earnings) cannot raise average standard of living, it is a mathematical aburdity. All most migrants do is create their own demand, add xk more people and you need y more plumbers, z more cafes etc. to service them. Did you notice major staff shortages in the bars, cafes and shops before Poles took over all those "jobs the British won't do"? Me neither. I never noticed a shortage of taxi drivers before it became a largely Asian occupation either.

This is no help to the rest of us and only adds to overcrowding, more traffic, more building on our country and pressure on infrastructure that diminishes our quality of life. There are also too many threats to our own culture and values by those who refuse to accept them and too much crime by those admitted from violent third world countries under a lax system.

What has happened has long gone way beyond anything reasonable.

[gingerjedi]

the hardest thing to do in all of this is call the top


Milan.

I look at it like getting up a mountain, if the ski lift suddenly stops some will sit tight, others will be screaming to get off but with no quick way out without breaking a leg, some people have already taken the cable car and are drinking Campari at the top but some are still falling off the button lifts at the bottom!

[Numptycorner]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6913296.stm

The UK issued National Insurance numbers to 713,000 overseas nationals in the year to April 2007.

And that is just the ones registering to work, does not include dependants or illegals.

So we probably have well over 1,000,000 now coming in per year, all with the blessing of the government.

What affect on housing, pollution, over-crowding, crime, health and education?

No wonder the UK is sinking. It is the sheer weight of immigrants.

According to the program the crime rate was up, but not due to romanies or more crime, no it was just the down to the increase in population.

Now, hang on, as the population increases, if there were the same amount of crime as before, the crime rate actually falls, so how can the police blame an increasing crime rate purely on the denominator?

Me thinks plod needs a maths lesson.

[Old Greg]

According to the program the crime rate was up, but not due to romanies or more crime, no it was just the down to the increase in population.

Now, hang on, as the population increases, if there were the same amount of crime as before, the crime rate actually falls, so how can the police blame an increasing crime rate purely on the denominator?

Me thinks plod needs a maths lesson.

Depends whether the crime rate is:

No. of crimes per 1000 people per year (in an area)
or
No. of crimes per year (in an area)

They are both rates, but I don't know which one is used.

[milanbenes]

so we're all agreeing that immigration is good for the uk

even Xoggoth agrees !


Milan.

[Numptycorner]

Depends whether the crime rate is:

No. of crimes per 1000 people per year (in an area)
or
No. of crimes per year (in an area)

They are both rates, but I don't know which one is used.

Well according to the documentary the crime rate was up 12% (IIRC). But this wasn't down to the increase in population. So they are saying that as the population grows the indiginous inhabitants commit more crimes. Do you think that is what really is happening?

[Old Greg]

Well according to the documentary the crime rate was up 12% (IIRC). But this wasn't down to the increase in population. So they are saying that as the population grows the indiginous inhabitants commit more crimes. Do you think that is what really is happening?

Must own up that I didn't see the documentary, but one possible interpretation of the data is that crime increases in line with population, and immigrants (and in-migrants from inside the UK) are committing crimes at the same rates as those who were living in the area beforehand.