Housing Shortage

[andy]

Would you believe it?

who would have thought that ?

[Causus Deli]

More benefit.. 80% of aids patients are from overseas
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ry/3140147.stm

You forgot to say of heterosexual HIV.

[Bagpuss]

You forgot to say of heterosexual HIV.

Is it about time we injected more hetros with AIDS to make it fair?

[DodgyAgent]

If the net immigration of 2-300,000 a year had the same skill set and employability as the native population, their entrance into the UK would make most Britons worse off. But in a country as crowded as the UK there are significant diseconomies of scale on the national level. Congestion in London and the South East both on roads and public transport is a huge brake on growth. Attempts to control congestion—such as congestion charging in London, tight controls on parking, increasing fuel duties—also inevitably
curb economic activity because they prevent businesses doing what they would otherwise want to. Shortage of land on which to build factories, offices and retail centres, slows down business’s expansion plans. Exorbitant property prices—the result of high population and land shortage—also puts brakes on all businesses from entrepreneurial start-ups to large corporations. Britain has a booming airline industry which is being held back by the difficulty in finding anywhere to put more runways. The battle between land use and business development got so extreme in Newbury that Vodafone ended up threatening to pull its headquarters out of the town unless it could build new head offices on one site.

If land shortage is such a stop to growth then why are
Hong Kong and Singapore the two most succesful economies in the world?

[Causus Deli]

Real story and typical of the ones I hear around the place from my sources.

Two poles come into the country and get jobs making sandwiches. They pay low level tax for a year before baby 1 appears. Baby 1 costs money to extract and support. Mummy looks after baby 1 instead of making sandwiches and tax contributions from imported family unit wane. Baby 2 appears 12 months later costing more in extraction fees and support. Having been supported in their humble abode in the private sector for the last 18 months they are allocated a free housing unit from the limited pool of such units. One sandwich maker paying limited tax on one hand and all those benefits on the other, sounds quite unequal to me. Can anyone explain to me the benefit of this to our country. Would it not have been better to get two from our own pool of skill less people to make sandwiches and pay them a little more than we do for sitting on ar5es? This is not just net negative this is very much negative on the GDP per capita whilst increasing our population for no reason.

[Ardesco]

Not to mention, where in these reports does it say that 90% of immigrants don't pay tax, and where does it detail the maximum number of people sustainable in this country?

More evasion when asked straight questions instead of providing the answers that have been requested.

It is also worth noting that a lot of immigrants want to come into this country earn money for 10-20 years and then retire back in thier country of residence, this means we don't have to pay them pensions and look after them when they get old, but they do pay tax on all the earnings they make here, so it is not all doom and gloom.

[Causus Deli]

If the net immigration of 2-300,000 a year had the same skill set and employability as the native population, their entrance into the UK would make most Britons worse off. But in a country as crowded as the UK there are significant diseconomies of scale on the national level. Congestion in London and the South East both on roads and public transport is a huge brake on growth. Attempts to control congestion—such as congestion charging in London, tight controls on parking, increasing fuel duties—also inevitably
curb economic activity because they prevent businesses doing what they would otherwise want to. Shortage of land on which to build factories, offices and retail centres, slows down business’s expansion plans. Exorbitant property prices—the result of high population and land shortage—also puts brakes on all businesses from entrepreneurial start-ups to large corporations. Britain has a booming airline industry which is being held back by the difficulty in finding anywhere to put more runways. The battle between land use and business development got so extreme in Newbury that Vodafone ended up threatening to pull its headquarters out of the town unless it could build new head offices on one site.

If land shortage is such a stop to growth then why are
Hong Kong and Singapore the two most succesful economies in the world?

That may be someting to do with the business they are involved in. By the same token could you tell me why the major economies of the worls did famously well before poor immigration and now not so well. And some of the underpopulated countries continue to thrive?

[Lucifer Box]

It is also worth noting that a lot of immigrants want to come into this country earn money for 10-20 years and then retire back in thier country of residence, this means we don't have to pay them pensions and look after them when they get old, but they do pay tax on all the earnings they make here, so it is not all doom and gloom.

Surely they would be entitled to a pension as long as they have paid sufficient NI to qualify for one, regardless of country of residence at retirement age?

Someone I know living here is a citizen of another EU country and draws a pension from both countries here. I would have thought the reverse is also true.

[Francko]

Surely they would be entitled to a pension as long as they have paid sufficient NI to qualify for one, regardless of country of residence at retirement age?

A British pension......

[Causus Deli]

Not to mention, where in these reports does it say that 90% of immigrants don't pay tax, and where does it detail the maximum number of people sustainable in this country?

More evasion when asked straight questions instead of providing the answers that have been requested.

It is also worth noting that a lot of immigrants want to come into this country earn money for 10-20 years and then retire back in thier country of residence, this means we don't have to pay them pensions and look after them when they get old, but they do pay tax on all the earnings they make here, so it is not all doom and gloom.

You are misquoting, quite disingenuous of you. I said they do not contribute in real terms, like you need to pay a certain amount of tax for the services, NHS, education, etc.