Housing Shortage

[tim123]

would it not be cheaper to ship all the indians back to India, reduce the UK population and thus reduce demand?

No, it would be cheaper to have a welfare system that forces people to take any available job. That way there wouldn't be a load of low paid jobs available for any willing Pole (Bulgarian, Romanian) to come and do.

But it seems that this approach is political unacceptable.

tim

[Sockpuppet]

The shortage of housing is caused by crap planning. End of.

Round where I live there are so many brown field sites that could be developed its untrue - instead developers prefer green field sites as instead of 1 and 2 bedroom flats they would prefer to build 5 - 6 bedroom houses that they can sell for a lot more.

Until the government starts forcing developers to use brown field sites and stop adding the word "luxury" to a development so they can add £30,000 to the price the better. I don't want a whirlpool bath and massivly overcomplex kitchen...4 walls and a roof will do.

[Troll]

Because if you are free to make as much money as you like and gain as much money as you like then you are going to be able to afford to give yourself, your friends, your family a better than equal crack at opportunities.

Maybe the point I should be making is that equality of opportunity is an impossible concept.

Why would they not be the 'the fruits of your labours'?

It's true that having cash does open more doors... but what are the impediments to aquiring cash?

A level of education is free for all in this country, as is healthcare.
What you make of these gifts is entirely up to you...and only limited by your natural abilities -i.e. a meritocracy

[Rantor]

No the best idea is to send all the welfare dependents and incapacity dependents to India and Poland where it is cheaper to house and feed them.

Just thinking about how India would cope with a few the of professional skivers I know - I think tata be wanting to onshore that particular project pdq!

[rootsnall]

The shortage of housing is caused by crap planning. End of.

Round where I live there are so many brown field sites that could be developed its untrue - instead developers prefer green field sites as instead of 1 and 2 bedroom flats they would prefer to build 5 - 6 bedroom houses that they can sell for a lot more.

Until the government starts forcing developers to use brown field sites and stop adding the word "luxury" to a development so they can add £30,000 to the price the better. I don't want a whirlpool bath and massivly overcomplex kitchen...4 walls and a roof will do.

The planning system is working in my neck of the woods, the last few brownfield sites are all getting a high proportion of flats. The developers have been knocked back for any more 4 and 5 bed estates , its high density or nothing. The locals who campaigned against the big houses are now regretting it as they are getting 4 times the number of dwellings, more cars, etc etc

[Moscow Mule]

Why would they not be the 'the fruits of your labours'?

Your ancestors labours

A level of education is free for all in this country, as is healthcare.
What you make of these gifts is entirely up to you...and only limited by your natural abilities -i.e. a meritocracy

You are much more likely to become victim of some nasty socially aquired disease as a poor person.

University (the preferred route to a higher standard of living in this country) is no longer free, and you are much less likely to acheive higher grades as a poor person.

What you are saying may well have been true 10 years ago but I don't think it is today.

[Troll]

Look at recent successes and failures;

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/billg/bio.mspx


http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2322


Are you still sure?

I'm certain(ish) that if you go back far enough, Gates ancestors would not have been from landed gentry with an inherited fortune.. his father was obviously succesful and his mother was a school teacher - daddy didn't loan him a million like Stelios but he dropped out of uni and built his business

Your second quote - I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make but the quote

The primary message is that each person is primarily responsible for themselves, for their own family and friends,"

Is very telling

[Zorba]

meantime lads, as you've shown you have no clue when it comes to fiscal policy, I suggest you stick to something you can do like patching windows servers

Milan.

And .net of course.

[Troll]

You are much more likely to become victim of some nasty socially aquired disease as a poor person. .

Personal choice

University (the preferred route to a higher standard of living in this country) is no longer free, and you are much less likely to acheive higher grades as a poor person.

What you are saying may well have been true 10 years ago but I don't think it is today.

Is it beyond the capabilities of students to actually work to put themselves through Uni?

[Moscow Mule]

Is it beyond the capabilities of students to actually work to put themselves through Uni?

No, but the chance of them acheiving the same grades as somebody who doesn't have to work are less.