Professional Day

[DS23]

... but i am doing 5 days in 4.

so all is good.

[woo]

that's what professional day stops - people working 5 days in 4.
a proffesional day means you actually turn up. well I got screwed on it anyway.

[wendigo100]

8 hrs including lunch... but here's me still in the office after doing 11 and a half.

Me too!

But I've been working at home today and I've been out and about.

[malvolio]

Oh come one. A PWD is anything between 0 and 24 hours. If you do real work for the client in any 24 hour period, you charge them a day. If you do nothing, you don't. If you do five minutes on their behalf in a day, you are entirely at liberty not to charge them. If you do 23 hours 59 minutes you still charge them a day. It's not hard.

If you're going to get picky about what a day really is, go for an hourly rate. PWD is just an accounting convenience, not a measure of hours worked.

[Euro-commuter]

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If you're going to get picky about what a day really is, go for an hourly rate. PWD is just an accounting convenience, not a measure of hours worked.

It means the boss has a certain (or not quite certain) amount of work to be done, and a specific budget for it, which translates to a number of days at a daily rate.

It doesn't really translate to "when can I go home?", or "do I get paid for my lunch hour?".

[wendigo100]

Oh come one. A PWD is anything between 0 and 24 hours. If you do real work for the client in any 24 hour period, you charge them a day. If you do nothing, you don't. If you do five minutes on their behalf in a day, you are entirely at liberty not to charge them. If you do 23 hours 59 minutes you still charge them a day. It's not hard.

If you're going to get picky about what a day really is, go for an hourly rate. PWD is just an accounting convenience, not a measure of hours worked.

Come on malvolio! How does a project plan for resources who might work for an hour or for 23 hours?

If you estimate that a task will take five days, you need to have some idea of how long each day is, otherwise your schedules will go to c*ck.

And as for going for an hourly rate - that's fine if you have the choice.

[SallyAnne]

This thread is such a load of b*ll*cks.

Are you lot a bunch of permies or something?

You take a contract, you have deliverables, you meet them.

Who gives a toss if you stay late, have a long lunch or a fecking rapour with the cleaning staff?!

Hours are things for the permies to worry about, deliverables are what contractors should worry about.

Day 2 not smoking...

[bobhope]

Agreed...

Basic rules of hours to work;

1. Always try to stay later than the boss...they don't care if you are in before them, they are just bitter if you leave before them.

2. Get to know the cleaners/security chaps name. On the rare occassion your boss does work late the rapport you have with the 'night' staff show you must always be working late.

#2 - never thought of that - nice!

[Troll]

This thread is such a load of b*ll*cks.

Are you lot a bunch of permies or something?

You take a contract, you have deliverables, you meet them.

Who gives a toss if you stay late, have a long lunch or a fecking rapour with the cleaning staff?!

Hours are things for the permies to worry about, deliverables are what contractors should worry about.

Day 2 not smoking...

rapport

[Vito]

This thread is such a load of b*ll*cks.

Are you lot a bunch of permies or something?

You take a contract, you have deliverables, you meet them.

Who gives a toss if you stay late, have a long lunch or a fecking rapour with the cleaning staff?!

Hours are things for the permies to worry about, deliverables are what contractors should worry about.

Day 2 not smoking...

Agree with SA and Mal...

As a Permie who wants a promotion you need to play the game and impress the boss...thats just the way of life...

If you are not a Permie however you do what is required...no more...no less. My standard working day at the moment is 8 - 4 with a 2hr commute either side...and yes, I go at 4 on the dot every day because my evenings are important to me and so far I have managed to organise my workload in such a way that things have stayed pretty consistent...if I ever needed to work 20hrs in a day to get something done then I would (and no, I never charge overtime) in the same way that if there is nothing to do I would go home.

I do what Mal does...if i work an hour on any given day then that is considered one day...if I work 20hrs on any given day then that is considered one day...if you get your quotes right and manage your work properly like all professionals should then you should be charging a fair amount for a fair days work...if you work your ass off then you get rewarded with some time off, if you slack a bit then you get punished with some extra hours...

Sometimes I do wonder how I manage to control my hours when I use 1,000 words when only a few are needed...what I meant to say on this post was:

I agree with SA and Mal