Would you ever vote BNP

[Troll]

It's now a 50/50 split for those who might consider voting for BNP.... the realm is secure

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It's now a 50/50 split for those who might consider voting for BNP.... the realm is secure

Unfortunately witless loonies like Denny only serve to increase the vote for the BNP. An example from the real world is Derek Beackon in Millwall. All the negative crap the other parties were spouting only served to get him elected.

[Old Greg]

I don't believe that. I mean, I have no idea about Griffin's personal life but I'd guess that the split is due to Griffin's aiming for the mainstream, whereas Combat 18, well, with a name like that you would never be going to be "mainstream", would you?

And Tyndall (I take it you mean him??) was sort of with the BNP till his end (depite having been expelled), being charged together with Griffin in Leeds in 2005 for "inciting racial hatred" (Griffin was acquitted, Tyndall went to face a higher court, as they say).

But let me waffle no more on a subject about which others can doubtless speak more, em, authoritatively.

No, I don't mean Tyndall. These were claims made by Martin Webster (apologies for my error, Webster was a leading NF member not a leader of the NF). As for C18's split from the BNP, you may be right, it's just one of those stories that circulates.

[vetran]

In a Vacum

In a Vacum, things expand to fill the void. There is no sensible policy on the largest immigration ever seen in the UK. A Flow of low cost workers is holding salary inflation down and displacing traditional workers - almost certainly part of GB's master plan . The use of Positive Discrimination is offending the majority of sensible people of all colours.

The BNP & UKIP (my experiences of them weren't actually that impressive) are stepping into the space left by real politicians who are unwilling to tackle this.

[wendigo100]

Indeed Vetran, but I'm afraid you have just entered yourself into the CUK PC & Pious Committee's "Little Black Book Of Racists" for pointing it out.

[lilelvis2000]

In a Vacum, things expand to fill the void. There is no sensible policy on the largest immigration ever seen in the UK. A Flow of low cost workers is holding salary inflation down and displacing traditional workers - almost certainly part of GB's master plan . The use of Positive Discrimination is offending the majority of sensible people of all colours.

The BNP & UKIP (my experiences of them weren't actually that impressive) are stepping into the space left by real politicians who are unwilling to tackle this.

Are you sure workers are being displaced? Are you sure that perhaps business can't find enough bricklayers, plumbers, electricians etc.. and are having to go abroad, whilst Joe Dole sits on his arse whinging about it. Consider, as well, that GB has allowed many more women into the labour pool, with New Deal and Sure Start - this also keeps wages down.

Where is Positive Discrimination used? Certainly not by any council or government authority I can think of.

No comment on the BNP, I think enough has been said in this thread.

[Gonzo]

Indeed Vetran, but I'm afraid you have just entered yourself into the CUK PC & Pious Committee's "Little Black Book Of Racists" for pointing it out.

Surely the PC committee do not keep a "little black book"? I wonder what they call it?

[Troll]

Where is Positive Discrimination used? Certainly not by any council or government authority I can think of.

No comment on the BNP, I think enough has been said in this thread.

The Metropolitan Police has been considering positive discrimination as a way of speeding up the recruitment of black and Asian officers.

Such a plan would mean changing the 1976 Race Relations Act.

[Gonzo]

The Metropolitan Police has been considering positive discrimination as a way of speeding up the recruitment of black and Asian officers.

Such a plan would mean changing the 1976 Race Relations Act.

My wife has a colleague that really wants to join the met as a trainee police officer. There are no places for him though because he is white.

Most applicants are white but they are trying to match the race of recruits of the population that they are policing.

EDIT They don't say that white people cannot join the police, they just get put at the end of a very long waiting list.

[Joe Black]

The view from Vlaanderen

People seem to forget that this is happening everywhere in the developed world and every country has a reactionary reponse to some extent. I would question some of the factors behind it sometimes - a lot of it is to do with self-perception rather than absolute facts. Parties like the Flemish VB have electoral success that the BNP could only dream of with a voter base in one of the most prosperous regions in europe. Austria has their tosspots. Neither are the weimar republic by any stretch.

Well, various founder members of Vlaams Blok or it's predecessor were meant to be former Nazi collaborators so I'm not sure if the latter is something I'd dismiss out of hand if given a sufficient majority.

Certainly, as you say, they have a voter base the BNP can only dream of, 20% overall (up 6%) and 33.5% in Antwerp in the last local elections. But then they're a much slicker bunch than the BNP, with much of the "encourage" all 1st and 2nd generation immigrants to leave stuff being brushed over and presented in a manner that would make NL proud. On the other hand I'm not sure if some attitudes here would be much different whether there were 10,000 immigrants or just 10. Hence the feeling at times when talking to some Flemish people that it's like many, many years ago talking with their fellow Dutch speakers the Afrikaners.

At the end of the day though, for me, both parties policies and support come down to much the same thing, intolerance, predjudice and discrimination. So I would be disappointed if those in the UK started likewise voting en-masse for the BNP, because despite an absolute b*lls of things being made at times by the gov't, various others, and perhaps a bit too much political correctness, the UK is still a world removed (in a positive way) from the sort of attitudes you can come across here. Or would people really prefer never seeing anything but white English faces on television, having jobs advertised "native english speakers only", and the kaffers considered only good for the jobs no-one else wants and even then aren't welcome.


PS: LG, are you going native