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[malvolio]

I would like to see a right-of-centre party that is not the Tory party (who can feck right off) with a credible plan for gov't, but the Farage clownshoe is definitely not that thing, just as the Polanski clownshoe is not that thing for lefties. Farage is a good campaigner, but just doesn't have the judgement, as this episode reveals, and the Trumpian style BS that is creeping into our politics won't attract British voters, regardless of what the polls currently say (people really only pay attention near to elections - at this stage, polls are only good for sticking two fingers up). This is a total lose-lose for Farage, although I expect he will probably trounce Binface (would be hilarious if he didn't, I agree). Question is what comes after Reform and will it be vaguely credible - again, the Tories can feck right off - I am not tremendously hopeful once the Burnham car crash inevitably ensues.

To be fair, Badenoch has laid out a fairly sensible vision of her likely manifesto, but I do wish some of her shadows were more obvious. It does amuse me that people see "the Tories" as a brand; it's becoming clear that what they are now under her leadership is nothing like what we suffered under Cameron/May/Johnson/Truss/Sunak - and most of the real trouble makers are now in Reform (and a couple are asking about coming back...)

Farage has shot his bolt, and without him Reform are just another bunch of amateurs. You can build a football team around a Harry Kane, but a political party, much less a government, needs a rather wider pool of talent.

What scares me though is people voting on the basis of "Anybody but..." with very little regard to what they are actually voting for. How many people do you know of that think Labour have held to their manifesto promises, even before the coronation of Andy Pandy?

[WTFH]

How many people do you know of that think Labour have held to their manifesto promises, even before the coronation of Andy Pandy?

https://pledgeprogress.co.uk

[malvolio]

https://pledgeprogress.co.uk

Fair enough. Not that many actually delivered, and some of those are open to interpretation. For one example, net immigration is down but that is as much about increaed emigration as anything. Similary NHS queues are down because 600k appointments have cancelled and people, such as my other half, are on a waiting list for the waiting list...

Also, how much trust do you place in a self-proclaimed hobby website....

[WTFH]

Fair enough. Not that many actually delivered, and some of those are open to interpretation. For one example, net immigration is down but that is as much about increaed emigration as anything. Similary NHS queues are down because 600k appointments have cancelled and people, such as my other half, are on a waiting list for the waiting list...

Also, how much trust do you place in a self-proclaimed hobby website....

I guess if the facts don’t suit your narrative, you’ll claim they’re unreliable.

[malvolio]

I guess if the facts don’t suit your narrative, you’ll claim they’re unreliable.

It also depends which you think represent progress towards building the economy and which are union inspired regressions to the 70s....

Tax receipts of £331bn vs welfare costs of £333bn are factual. So is spending £100bn a year in loan intetest, funded by - guess what - more borrowing.

Tricky things, facts.

[TestMangler]

It also depends which you think represent progress towards building the economy and which are union inspired regressions to the 70s....

Tax receipts of £331bn vs welfare costs of £333bn are factual. So is spending £100bn a year in loan intetest, funded by - guess what - more borrowing.

Tricky things, facts.

Welfare spending in 1980 was approx 10% of GDP. Welfare spending in 2026 is approx 10% of GDP. Tricky thing, facts.

[jamesbrown]

To be fair, Badenoch has laid out a fairly sensible vision of her likely manifesto, but I do wish some of her shadows were more obvious. It does amuse me that people see "the Tories" as a brand; it's becoming clear that what they are now under her leadership is nothing like what we suffered under Cameron/May/Johnson/Truss/Sunak - and most of the real trouble makers are now in Reform (and a couple are asking about coming back...)

Farage has shot his bolt, and without him Reform are just another bunch of amateurs. You can build a football team around a Harry Kane, but a political party, much less a government, needs a rather wider pool of talent.

What scares me though is people voting on the basis of "Anybody but..." with very little regard to what they are actually voting for. How many people do you know of that think Labour have held to their manifesto promises, even before the coronation of Andy Pandy?

I literally would've put money on you responding with something like this, mal

I can't see myself voting for the Tories while Badenoch is leading and Mel Stride is shadow chancellor. Badenoch just isn't very well suited for leadership IMHO - the pantomime of PMQs is totally unimportant in that regard. She's notorious for being pig-headed and combative, and that doesn't stem from confidence, more like fear. Mel Stride would be more of the same w/r to small business.

Tbh, I would need to swallow some vomit to vote for the Tories in any circumstances, given their medium-term history.

Sigh, Binface is looking increasingly tempting