Someone is telling porkies

[JustKeepSwimming]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-attacks.html

Three Iceland staff are HIV positive after being attacked by shoplifters with hypodermic needles, the chain's boss has told MailOnline.

[Halo Jones]

Hypodermic attack is a thing, people will even tape used needles to the underside of handrails to stab people.

so it’s possible they are telling the truth

[JustKeepSwimming]

Hypodermic attack is a thing, people will even tape used needles to the underside of handrails to stab people.

so it’s possible they are telling the truth

I'm not doubting that. I'm doubting the HIV infection, it happening once is extremely unlikely, 3 times is borderline impossible.

If you get stabbed with a needle, at work, you go to hospital. The Hospital will immediately give you PeP which is 98%+ effective at preventing infection, earlier you get it the better.

That's before you take into account the probability of actual transmission in the first place.

Far more likely they were stabbed, went to hospital and given PeP, whilst also being tested which came back positive for pre-existing infection and the boss has decided to run with it for his own benefit.

[vetran]

'Three of our store colleagues are now HIV positive as a result of needle attacks several years ago. Other assaults have resulted in injuries ranging from a broken jaw to a fractured skull.'

2005

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-e...ected%20source.

12 serious incidents a week is unacceptable. Most factories would be shut down with such numbers.

Anyone using infected needles as weapons needs locking up for a long time.

[ladymuck]

I don't doubt that some people are sickos who will try any means available to attack people. I thought that HIV doesn't survive very long outside the body so you could get it by sharing needles but I'd expect the risk of catching it from a pre prepared needle to be very slim. I have no stats on that, just a vague memory from the 80's / 90's where people were panicking about toilet seats and such like.

[JustKeepSwimming]

I don't doubt that some people are sickos who will try any means available to attack people. I thought that HIV doesn't survive very long outside the body so you could get it by sharing needles but I'd expect the risk of catching it from a pre prepared needle to be very slim. I have no stats on that, just a vague memory from the 80's / 90's where people were panicking about toilet seats and such like.

CDC has 'needle stick' transmission at 23 in 10,000 instances, so 0.23%. HIV really is a terribly designed virus for purposes of transmission.

It can survive in a syringe with blood for quite a while. The whole 'It doesn't survive outside the body' refers to dried blood.

It just reeks of the whole hysteria about people being stabbed with needles in nightclubs that turned out to be false because it made no sense.

[xoggoth]

If you have to catch it, not the most fun way.

[Paddy]

I don't doubt that some people are sickos who will try any means available to attack people. I thought that HIV doesn't survive very long outside the body so you could get it by sharing needles but I'd expect the risk of catching it from a pre prepared needle to be very slim. I have no stats on that, just a vague memory from the 80's / 90's where people were panicking about toilet seats and such like.

My mum used to do a lot of knitting. She told me she never shared needles.

[vetran]

CDC has 'needle stick' transmission at 23 in 10,000 instances, so 0.23%. HIV really is a terribly designed virus for purposes of transmission.

It can survive in a syringe with blood for quite a while. The whole 'It doesn't survive outside the body' refers to dried blood.

It just reeks of the whole hysteria about people being stabbed with needles in nightclubs that turned out to be false because it made no sense.

It is a credible risk albeit low, so is being killed by one punch, both are a pre meditated action to cause harm and should be treated as such.

Should we let off everyone who does 40 in a 30 because they actually don't kill that many people?

[JustKeepSwimming]

It is a credible risk albeit low, so is being killed by one punch, both are a pre meditated action to cause harm and should be treated as such.

Should we let off everyone who does 40 in a 30 because they actually don't kill that many people?

No one is saying its not possible. I'm saying it didn't happen 3 times to Iceland employees and the CEO is fearmongering for their own benefit.

Absolutely no idea what you are going on about with letting people off.