Labour on course for 140-seat majority under new constituency boundaries…

[woohoo]

We need to pay them more and have less. But until the electorate are more fussy about who they vote in we will be stuck with the mostly lick spittle we have on both sides. Ben Wallace been an exception imho. Also Labour need Burnham D.Milliband and even H.Benn back on the front benches.

I can't see that changing if we pay them more.

[Gibbon]

I can't see that changing if we pay them more.

There will be less need to make up with 'false' fact finding etc. Thatcher was in some way to blame, as she imposed MP pay restraint but tacitly said fill your boots on expenses. An MP's pay is marginally more than a train driver and they are striking (should automate it all imho).

[woohoo]

There will be less need to make up with 'false' fact finding etc. Thatcher was in some way to blame, as she imposed MP pay restraint but tacitly said fill your boots on expenses. An MP's pay is marginally more than a train driver and they are striking (should automate it all imho).

I just can't see successful, competent people wanting to become an MP for a few extra grand.

[malvolio]

We need to pay them more and have less. But until the electorate are more fussy about who they vote in we will be stuck with the mostly lick spittle we have on both sides. Ben Wallace been an exception imho. Also Labour need Burnham D.Milliband and even H.Benn back on the front benches.

Were losing Wallace at the next election, unless he goes to NATO as Sec Gen first. He will be a loss.

Why in God's name do you want Millipede back? He's already proven to be a total failure. Although he would make Starmer look interesting and decisive I suppose...

[Gibbon]

Why in God's name do you want Millipede back? He's already proven to be a total failure. Although he would make Starmer look interesting and decisive I suppose...

Are you thinking of the wrong brother, then I would agree with your statement.

David Miliband - Wikipedia

[AtW]

Can you have it both ways, if someone in your mind votes for Scum are they not Scum?

Are fraud victims also fraudsters? I don’t think so, with some exceptions. But in a spirit of a friendly CUK discussion I’ll meet you half way - you are not a scum to vote Tory Scum, but you are a bit thick. There, happy now?

[vetran]

Were losing Wallace at the next election, unless he goes to NATO as Sec Gen first. He will be a loss.

Why in God's name do you want Millipede back? He's already proven to be a total failure. Although he would make Starmer look interesting and decisive I suppose...

Lets have Jezzy back, the Tories will have a chance in a vote!

[JustKeepSwimming]

I really hate this childish polarisation. MPs are people, some are out for themselves, but they are evenly spread across all the parties so to label one party as "scum" is merely showing your own ignorance. Perhaps look at the policies and likely outcomes of those policies and vote accordingly.

The real problem with the Tories is not corruption, it's incompetence at the top and too much attention being paid to minority groups on the backbenches.

The real problem with Labour is we don't have the faintest idea what they actually stand for, nor will we until they and their union paymasters have decided on the next manifesto.

Th rest of the parties are largely irrelevant, except as benefactors of assorted protest votes.

Either way I have very little hope of either major party actually enacting their manifestos and actually improving things.

Can't really blame Labour for not having a manifesto in writing yet. The country today is very different to what it was 2 years ago and will likely be different next year. I think current Labour has shown with the strikes that they are no longer the unions whipping boy, they have called their bluff.

'We aren't the Tories' is IMO a very good line to take atm.

As far I can see Tories are out for a generation, at least 10 years, probably 15.

Post leadership Miliband is actually pretty likable and competent. Maybe it was the press, maybe it was the pressure, maybe it was the internal labour culture (momentum).

[andymalory]

Th rest of the parties are largely irrelevant, except as benefactors of assorted protest votes.

Either way I have very little hope of either major party actually enacting their manifestos and actually improving things.

Which is why we need PR!

[woohoo]

Are fraud victims also fraudsters? I don’t think so, with some exceptions. But in a spirit of a friendly CUK discussion I’ll meet you half way - you are not a scum to vote Tory Scum, but you are a bit thick. There, happy now?

Yes, fraud victims can also be fraudsters.