Fantasy Chancellor Game

[malvolio]

My suggestion will be is to get real and stop living in a fantasy that something can be changed politically (especially major changes in the tax system) in the UK, at least until such time the current anti-democratic two-party system collapses, which in my view will only happen when Scotland becomes independent.

P.S. Truss gave it a minor go and that cost her job straight away.

Good plan. Except Scotland won't become independent (other than in Wee Burnie's own fantasy world) in any meaningful timescale. Truss cocked up the implementation big time but the overall intention was actually extremely sensible. It's a bit of a shame that Sunak and the idiot Hunt haven't taken notice of her.

[AtW]

Good plan. Except Scotland won't become independent (other than in Wee Burnie's own fantasy world) in any meaningful timescale.

Most likely, but I can't see it any other way that one of the two main parties that are main benefactors of two party system will give up that benefit unless it has zero chance of winning GE, which should (hopefully) happen to Labour when Scotland becomes independent - which after Brexit is now a certainity, we just don't know the timeline (under 20 years I reckon).

[Protagoras]

Most likely, but I can't see it any other way that one of the two main parties that are main benefactors of two party system will give up that benefit unless it has zero chance of winning GE, which should (hopefully) happen to Labour when Scotland becomes independent - which after Brexit is now a certainity, we just don't know the timeline (under 20 years I reckon).

We need electoral reform with removal of first-past-the-post to start to start breakup of the party cartel. There's not much support for this.

Westminster government is doing a great job of increasing support for Scottish independence in principle. Unfortunately, the Scottish government seems unable to capitalise on this, seemingly preferring to bait and squabble with Westminster than sort NHS Scotland, education, infrastructure, etc.

[AtW]

Why would two party cartel agree to electoral reform that will end this gravy train of them switching places on regular basis? Zero chance of that

All smaller parties should boycott elections until reform is done bu zero chance of that too

[Protagoras]

Why would two party cartel agree to electoral reform that will end this gravy train of them switching places on regular basis? Zero chance of that

It's not just the parties.

The electorate was given the chance to start changing the system in 2011 with a referendum on the introduction of an Alternative Vote scheme.

Only 42% bothered to vote, 67% of whom rejected the scheme.

[AtW]

It's not just the parties.

The electorate was given the chance to start changing the system in 2011 with a referendum on the introduction of an Alternative Vote scheme.

Only 42% bothered to vote, 67% of whom rejected the scheme.

The FPTP scam only works if enough people still believe it’s for the better, in that referendum both main parties were overtly against changing status quo - to make it happen you need one main party to join up with others (tactical voting everywhre) smaller to promise electoral reform first and immediate new elections with the new sane rules

[malvolio]

It's not just the parties.

The electorate was given the chance to start changing the system in 2011 with a referendum on the introduction of an Alternative Vote scheme.

Only 42% bothered to vote, 67% of whom rejected the scheme.

So it was a significant majority against. Unless you count the non-voters as being in favour of course, but we live in the real world and they had no effect on the result. Binary questions are not really a good subject for percentage analyses.

[AtW]

Binary questions are not really a good subject for percentage analyses.

Yeah, here is what's good for percentage analysis tho -

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Nearly 20 years since your reg date, and you gave only 3 thanks and 14 likes?

Talk your way out of that one...

[Zigenare]

We need electoral reform with removal of first-past-the-post to start to start breakup of the party cartel. There's not much support for this.

Westminster government is doing a great job of increasing support for Scottish independence in principle. Unfortunately, the Scottish government seems unable to capitalise on this, seemingly preferring to bait and squabble with Westminster than sort NHS Scotland, education, infrastructure, etc.

Prepare for decades of Coalition "Governments" and the chaos that brings!

[WTFH]

[*]Nationalise water, gas, electricity, ports, railways

I see in the other thread that the transport secretary is talking about a public (i.e. nationalised) body called “Great British Railways”. It can then be sold/managed by the private sector to ensure shareholders and pension schemes are fully rewarded.