Tories Vote to Retain Corruption

[agentzero]

Do you really understand the impact of an unknown virus with an unknown payload on a government comprised of people with no knowledge of anything outside politics (they probably think PPE is a university degree course) and the panic that must have ensued. And that steps are now being taken to look into those deals and quite possibly recover some of the monies spent where possible. Or that the costs, while quite large, are actually fairly small in terms of our national spend. And that the Grauniad's entire approach is to denigrate anyone and anything that doesn't emanate from the Islington left wing collective?

Or perhaps we're all a bit tired of the _V_ Chicken Little tribute act.

I have to jump in here. I think most people will read your post and think you're now at the stage of embarrassing yourself, once again. When you don't like something you jump to moaning about "the left", despite the fact we've not had a "left" government in many decades. Most sensible people would not jump to the "unknown virus" rhetoric for £4billion worth of junk PPE. It's a staggering monetary figure. Basic aprons weren't up to scratch, masks were fake uncertified Chinese junk.

You can throw anything into the ring if rushing to acquire PPE, but these companies were recently set up specifically to try rush this known uncertified PPE into the NHS and the stuff just wasn't usable as it wouldn't have provided any safety and wouldn't have fulfilled the task required. Basic checks would have stopped funneling of cash to recently formed companies with relations to Tory MPs and people who are directly related to them or friends of theirs.

4 x £100,000,000 to be burnt. That's madness, sorry. Your regular excusing of such behavior and minimising how unacceptable this is, in a supposed modern democracy, is beyond reproach. Excluding politics, it is obviously a form of corruption and the Tories are factually trying to absolve the people targeted of blame or wrongdoing. It's wrong on many levels to ignore or minimise this level of corruption.

The VIP lane was a chance to exploit, once again, the public purse to provide to MPs, their relatives and friends. It should not be possible to do this, given the majority of kit bought was worthless and is no different to MF going on ebay and selling his fake tat wares to anybody else, except in these VIP lane cases the number of middlemen was high and each creamed money off it. Mone has been targeted as the main example, but there are plenty of other hundreds of millions that remain to be examined.

[_V_]

I have to jump in here. I think most people will read your post and think you're now at the stage of embarrassing yourself, once again. When you don't like something you jump to moaning about "the left", despite the fact we've not had a "left" government in many decades. Most sensible people would not jump to the "unknown virus" rhetoric for £4billion worth of junk PPE. It's a staggering monetary figure. Basic aprons weren't up to scratch, masks were fake uncertified Chinese junk.

You can throw anything into the ring if rushing to acquire PPE, but these companies were recently set up specifically to try rush this known uncertified PPE into the NHS and the stuff just wasn't usable as it wouldn't have provided any safety and wouldn't have fulfilled the task required. Basic checks would have stopped funneling of cash to recently formed companies with relations to Tory MPs and people who are directly related to them or friends of theirs.

4 x £100,000,000 to be burnt. That's madness, sorry. Your regular excusing of such behavior and minimising how unacceptable this is, in a supposed modern democracy, is beyond reproach. Excluding politics, it is obviously a form of corruption and the Tories are factually trying to absolve the people targeted of blame or wrongdoing. It's wrong on many levels to ignore or minimise this level of corruption.

The VIP lane was a chance to exploit, once again, the public purse to provide to MPs, their relatives and friends. It should not be possible to do this, given the majority of kit bought was worthless and is no different to MF going on ebay and selling his fake tat wares to anybody else, except in these VIP lane cases the number of middlemen was high and each creamed money off it. Mone has been targeted as the main example, but there are plenty of other hundreds of millions that remain to be examined.

This has also been proven in the high courts, where the Tory govt have been found guilty of corruption and mis management of public funds to benefit private individuals to astronomical sums. However, there is no "govt police" that can arrest them, they are effectively mafia in control of our finances. In other countries the Tories would have been publicly executed. More than ever this country needs an uprising and soon.

[malvolio]

I have to jump in here. I think most people will read your post and think you're now at the stage of embarrassing yourself, once again. When you don't like something you jump to moaning about "the left", despite the fact we've not had a "left" government in many decades. Most sensible people would not jump to the "unknown virus" rhetoric for £4billion worth of junk PPE. It's a staggering monetary figure. Basic aprons weren't up to scratch, masks were fake uncertified Chinese junk.

You can throw anything into the ring if rushing to acquire PPE, but these companies were recently set up specifically to try rush this known uncertified PPE into the NHS and the stuff just wasn't usable as it wouldn't have provided any safety and wouldn't have fulfilled the task required. Basic checks would have stopped funneling of cash to recently formed companies with relations to Tory MPs and people who are directly related to them or friends of theirs.

4 x £100,000,000 to be burnt. That's madness, sorry. Your regular excusing of such behavior and minimising how unacceptable this is, in a supposed modern democracy, is beyond reproach. Excluding politics, it is obviously a form of corruption and the Tories are factually trying to absolve the people targeted of blame or wrongdoing. It's wrong on many levels to ignore or minimise this level of corruption.

The VIP lane was a chance to exploit, once again, the public purse to provide to MPs, their relatives and friends. It should not be possible to do this, given the majority of kit bought was worthless and is no different to MF going on ebay and selling his fake tat wares to anybody else, except in these VIP lane cases the number of middlemen was high and each creamed money off it. Mone has been targeted as the main example, but there are plenty of other hundreds of millions that remain to be examined.

I'm not excusing it, in any way, shape or form. It is staggeringly incompetent.. All I've been doing is pointing out how such things came to happen.. In other words, it's having idiots in charge rather than deliberate malpractice.

For example, we had a publicly funded (about £5bn a year) Public Health Executive who were charged with having plans in place to deal with unseen medical emergencies and resources defined to support those plans. They failed dismally on both counts and were disbanded - only to be replaced by the same people in a new body with much the same remit. That's not necessarily jobs for the boys in the way you mean it but a hiring process that ignores previous failures and actively appoints people with experience in the role regardless of their success. Hence recent advice form the new body on what to do in cold weather, such as "Heat the room you're in and close the windows"...

We suffer a lot more from sheer incompetence in our national government than we do from corruption - that is only significant at the more local levels...

You can't have a debate on any subject if the only response you have is "it's crap, we need to throw it all away". OK, but some idea of what to replace it with wouldn't go amiss..

And, just as an aside, what is £4bn as a percentage of £2.6tn ?

[Paddy]

I'm not excusing it, in any way, shape or form. It is staggeringly incompetent.. All I've been doing is pointing out how such things came to happen.. In other words, it's having idiots in charge rather than deliberate malpractice.

For example, we had a publicly funded (about £5bn a year) Public Health Executive who were charged with having plans in place to deal with unseen medical emergencies and resources defined to support those plans. They failed dismally on both counts and were disbanded - only to be replaced by the same people in a new body with much the same remit. That's not necessarily jobs for the boys in the way you mean it but a hiring process that ignores previous failures and actively appoints people with experience in the role regardless of their success. Hence recent advice form the new body on what to do in cold weather, such as "Heat the room you're in and close the windows"...

We suffer a lot more from sheer incompetence in our national government than we do from corruption - that is only significant at the more local levels...

You can't have a debate on any subject if the only response you have is "it's crap, we need to throw it all away". OK, but some idea of what to replace it with wouldn't go amiss..

And, just as an aside, what is £4bn as a percentage of £2.6tn ?

But you are excusing it, and you are doing it by deflection and using 'what aboutisums'. Every time corruption issues are raised on this forum and elsewhere, the forelock tugging Tory voters will deflect the argument to something or someone else. It is the likes of you who voted Tory knowing full well their history or nepotism and corruption have caused nit to continue.

[malvolio]

But you are excusing it, and you are doing it by deflection and using 'what aboutisums'. Every time corruption issues are raised on this forum and elsewhere, the forelock tugging Tory voters will deflect the argument to something or someone else. It is the likes of you who voted Tory knowing full well their history or nepotism and corruption have caused nit to continue.

No I'm not excusing anything. Read what I said properly.

[WTFH]

No I'm not excusing anything. Read what I said properly.

But you’ll still support right wing politicians, no matter what.

[malvolio]

But you’ll still support right wing politicians, no matter what.

You support left wing ones. They are no less corrupt and are demonstrably less capable of running the economy. So what makes your position so superior?