Mini Budget aka Fiscal Statement

[mallisarealperson]

Any predictions for the "what ever the thing is called" on Friday.

Well I never predicted what we got today.

[eek]

JPC Consensus is for an easy life is change clients for a contract outside next year, rather than stay with this client.

Our advice in 2017 and 2021 was to change agency / client if your status changed.

Our advice for 2023 has to be the same - move to a different agency / client if you currently have an inside IR35 contract and are returning to an outside contract...

[mallisarealperson]

For me it provides options. As before, it was blanket bans. Which is why I stopped contracting.

I have always had the opinion it's employed or ltd. Nothing else. And inside is just a temp worker.

I turned down more roles that I took up because of this. To ensure I was always compliant. First thing I would say to a potential new client. Why do you need a contractor.

If the answer was to compliment the team, or the classic(Because we cannot get a perm) I use to say no thank you. This will still be the case for now. And I think if people are careless they will be stung hard.

However Just think if they removed IR35 all together. Most big companies would not employee anyone. Only contractors.

Interested to see what the review brings. could end up being a poisoned chalice.

[SimonMac]

I hear you Simon but lets actually look at this.

I absolutely pass all the HMRC checks re IR35 i am clearly outside. The only reason my current client pushed me inside were reasons i can't explain here. However. I have been informed already they will revert.

Based on a Qdos review and as above i am rightly permitted to claim i am outside from that date, when in reality i should be restrospectively reimbursed on my financial losses. This is in accordance to their own rules not 'what doesn't feel right to do'. This is what HMRC seems to eb towards too much, ie mind games, playing on such as attempting to bind Tax evasion and avoidance in the same group, and dare i say efficiency is snarled at also.

We shouldn't be bullied into submission here.

HMRC: Did you accept that this role was Inside before April 2023
JPC: Yes
HMRC: Do you accept that is role is Outside after April 2023
JPC: Yes
HMRC: Has anything changed with your working practices?
JPC: No
HMRC: We’re you lying then or are you lying now
JPC: Erm…..

[SueEllen]

JPC Consensus is for an easy life is change clients for a contract outside next year, rather than stay with this client.

[dsc]

I hear you Simon but lets actually look at this.

I absolutely pass all the HMRC checks re IR35 i am clearly outside. The only reason my current client pushed me inside were reasons i can't explain here. However. I have been informed already they will revert.

Based on a Qdos review and as above i am rightly permitted to claim i am outside from that date, when in reality i should be restrospectively reimbursed on my financial losses. This is in accordance to their own rules not 'what doesn't feel right to do'. This is what HMRC seems to eb towards too much, ie mind games, playing on such as attempting to bind Tax evasion and avoidance in the same group, and dare i say efficiency is snarled at also.

We shouldn't be bullied into submission here.

Even if you are right I doubt HMRC would just agree and give you a rebate, they will most likely fight you and claim you were inside (they always do that). This is both stressful and time consuming and there's no guarantee you'll win, so it's purely a matter of risk taking and having the will to fight. Yes I agree we shouldn't be bullied into submission, but people often bail as it's just not worth the trouble / stress. I mean HMRC official stance is bully and scare people and this isn't any different, heck the whole reform was about this, no one wanted to kick anything off with HMRC, hence blanket bans on ltds.

[TheDude]

It's like the end of prohibition - but only for those who live in executive new builds.

[sadkingbilly]

[jamesbrown]

I hear you Simon but lets actually look at this.

I absolutely pass all the HMRC checks re IR35 i am clearly outside. The only reason my current client pushed me inside were reasons i can't explain here. However. I have been informed already they will revert.

Based on a Qdos review and as above i am rightly permitted to claim i am outside from that date, when in reality i should be restrospectively reimbursed on my financial losses. This is in accordance to their own rules not 'what doesn't feel right to do'. This is what HMRC seems to eb towards too much, ie mind games, playing on such as attempting to bind Tax evasion and avoidance in the same group, and dare i say efficiency is snarled at also.

We shouldn't be bullied into submission here.

Just bear in mind that HMRC has a clear hook for your change in status and that you don't really want an investigation, even if you ultimately win. On the upside, there will probably be thousands of contractors thinking the same thing, so you may be lucky or it may take several years to find that you were unlucky, at the very least. YMMV, but I agree with the other posters calling it a bad idea™.

[saptastic]

I hear you Simon but lets actually look at this.

I absolutely pass all the HMRC checks re IR35 i am clearly outside. The only reason my current client pushed me inside were reasons i can't explain here. However. I have been informed already they will revert.

Based on a Qdos review and as above i am rightly permitted to claim i am outside from that date, when in reality i should be restrospectively reimbursed on my financial losses. This is in accordance to their own rules not 'what doesn't feel right to do'. This is what HMRC seems to eb towards too much, ie mind games, playing on such as attempting to bind Tax evasion and avoidance in the same group, and dare i say efficiency is snarled at also.

We shouldn't be bullied into submission here.

But the rules do not change until April 23 I believe. So the rules applied retrospectively and you signed a contract based on what was offered.
But yeah what a waste of millions of pounds of tax payers money and time at HMRC over the last 5 or so years, plus all the corporate compliance work, etc etc