Climate Change / Global Warming : What Do You Think?

[andy]

First find out what was responsible for mild climate in Britain in medieval times when there were vineyards here
I think the same thing is happening again

[bogeyman]

What I can't understand is how come it was warmer 2000 years ago????
Then it was fecking cold in the 14 centurys and now it's starting to get warm again ???

Well, I imagine you don't understand it because the climate is a very, very complex subject that scientists take a lot of time and trouble trying to grasp.

Global warming doesn't mean that everywhere will get warmer.

Some places (like the UK) might get a hell of a lot colder.

Especially if the Atlantic Conveyor (thermohaline circulation) shuts down.

Get your heads out of your arses and read up on this - it's serious.

[sasguru]

The last time there was a thread on this subject I posted a link to what is considered "THE" summary on the subject, an IPCC meta-analysis laying out in sober, reasonable detail, all the available evidence and conclusions about why climate change is believed to be anthropomorphic.
It was a rather challenging, dry and unemotional paper so I'm not surprised that the usual retards couldn't be bothered to wade through it and would rather argue from a position of pig-ignorance.
As I said at the time, a position similar to the flat-earthers.

[Ardesco]

The fact that a volcano going off puts more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere than 10 years of us pumping tulip out of factories makes me very skeptical....

I'm sure we will find a way to survive. Holland has managed to deal with having a country below sea level, lots of people have learnt to live in hot/cold climates before and with the technology we have roght now i'm sure we can do a lot more if required.

Hell living underground is always a viable alternative if everything else fails...

[The Lone Gunman]

Well, I imagine you don't understand it because the climate is a very, very complex subject that scientists take a lot of time and trouble trying to grasp.

Global warming doesn't mean that everywhere will get warmer.

Some places (like the UK) might get a hell of a lot colder.

Especially if the Atlantic Conveyor (thermohaline circulation) shuts down.

Get your heads out of your arses and read up on this - it's serious.

What makes you think you are the only one who has read up on this?
What gives you the right to be so dismissive?
What makes you think it isn't your head up your arse?

There is plenty of evidence out there arguing the point that the change is natural. Man has no doubt accelerated the process, but it is and was happening anyway.

[DimPrawn]

Okay, for Bogey's sake, can everyone remove the tax argument.

My view is this.

The establishment (politicians and scientific bodies FUNDED by governments) have the following now as "facts" around the observation that global temperatures are rising.

1. It is a man made phenomena.
2. It is primarily caused by large increases in C02 since the start of the industrial revolution.
3. This C02 increase is driven primarily due to burning of fossil fuels.

I personally do not believe it is 1 or 2 and therefore, 3 is not relevant.

Firstly, global temperatures are not solely affected by greenhouse gases, they are also affected by other known and other largely UNKNOWN factors.

Secondly, C02 is not the only greenhouse gas.

Thirdly, many natural cycles affect the production AND absorbtion of CO2.

Fourthly, the earth has experienced rapid warming (much faster than the rate of warming now) at the end of the last ice age, about 15K yrs ago. This has not been properly explained.

Fifthly, there was a rapid warming in the middle ages in the UK long before fossil fuels.

[Paddy]

I'm staggered that 11 people here (currently) have such a tenuous grip on reality that they think global warming has nothing to do with human activities.

I thought that the average iq here, and grasp of basic scientific principles was a bit better than that - oh well

In the 1960s we were told by scientists and politicians that the world was heading for an Ice Age and world’s oil supply will run out in 30 years. The Only way forward was to produce nuclear-electrical power stations.

If the world stopped using fossil fuels today the natural fluctuations of Ice Ages and Global Worming would still carry on.

If the government was co concerned why have they let 20% of the trees in the UK to be cut down in the past 15 years for the sake of new housing? The problem is with over population, not Co2 use.

[DimPrawn]

Bogey and guru are easily convinced by a group of scientists looking for very large government funding into climate research. You can't beat a good doom story to win funding. It worked in the 70's on Ice Age theories.

They probably both thought that "things, can only get better, can only get better..." when they stuck the X next to the New Labour candidates name in the nineties.

[Addanc]

Check here.

New Liebour, as usual are scaremongering in a tax grab. It is far from proven that you humans are the primary cause of global warming.

[bogeyman]

Bogey and guru are easily convinced by a group of scientists looking for very large government funding into climate research. You can't beat a good doom story to win funding. It worked in the 70's on Ice Age theories.

They probably both thought that "things, can only get better, can only get better..." when they stuck the X next to the New Labour candidates name in the nineties.

And you, Prawn, are an idiot.

But I expect you already know that.