Boris saves the Union from potentially devastating referendum!

[_V_]

It's not about money it's about democracy. I have to laugh when I (joked) that Jersey should be returned to the French, people pointed out that self determination with a democratic vote should define sovereignty, not geography or history.

The Scottish people deserve to be heard. A LOT has changed since the last freedom vote.

Let them cast their vote. If it's a no to independence, then let it be for at least a decade.

[vetran]

It's not about money it's about democracy. I have to laugh when I (joked) that Jersey should be returned to the French, people pointed out that self determination with a democratic vote should define sovereignty, not geography or history.

The Scottish people deserve to be heard. A LOT has changed since the last freedom vote.

Let them cast their vote. If it's a no to independence, then let it be for at least a decade.

I have no problem with the voting but to avoid another Brexit style decade of bickering lets have a costed plan and one of the first costs being Scotland paying for the vote which can be internationally verified. Then ten years transition with the rest of the UK removing all the jobs up there positioned to keep the Scots happy. British civil servants won't stay there, neither will submarine & defence bases.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...20improvements.

I would like them to stay but join us in building a better UK, no time for whining and Sturgeon is not their saviour, she & Salmond have had enough power to make a difference, its all negative so far.

[minestrone]

The increased spending and tax raising was, I believe, a deliberate trap that the nationalists fell into. Now that tax raised per capita has dropped below the UK average ( it was quite a bit above ) Scotland now relies upon the extra cash as public spending is set up to be significantly higher.

And it's not good for the general economy. Let's say I go out to look for a local design business, most are just grinding out stuff for arms length public sector groups like tourist boards and health boards. It's not tied to results so most of them product sub standard work.

[minestrone]

And when they got tax raising powers they just added in another tax band so that 51% of the population would be paying like 20p less a month.

Then they could all robotically scream "THIS BENEFITS THE MAJORITY OF SCOTS LIKE NURSE AND TEACHERS" when they talk about it.

High earners get hammered and unsurprisingly tax take has fallen. Everything is about appeasing a majority in the short term despite knowing it will be detrimental long term.

[vetran]

And when they got tax raising powers they just added in another tax band so that 51% of the population would be paying like 20p less a month.

Then they could all robotically scream "THIS BENEFITS THE MAJORITY OF SCOTS LIKE NURSE AND TEACHERS" when they talk about it.

High earners get hammered and unsurprisingly tax take has fallen. Everything is about appeasing a majority in the short term despite knowing it will be detrimental long term.

yep hence a costed document.

[d000hg]

Hard to see this going away in the next 10 years. Legality nor not, how long can the conservatives just ignore the issue? Do they hope they can wait out the current separationist surge when Sturgeon leaves?

Like brexit, something's got to give at some point I feel. It would be nice for Westminster to see the EU's side of Brexit if an independence vote goes though.

[ladymuck]

Independence has become "a thing" because it's clear that Westminster has very little time for those parts of the UK outside the M25 and South East. This goes for all political parties. Policies aren't conceived in manner that is truly inclusive. So now you have Scotland wanting to go their own way, Wales want more devolution and parts of the North of England are demanding more and more devolved powers to manage things locally.

I think it would be a great shame if Scotland went their own way but I can completely understand why. You may not like Sturgeon and the SNP but they are Scotland first and that's what the local electorate wanted.

[d000hg]

The local electorate didn't want it anywhere near as much until the SNP and similar inflamed the issue. Basic rabble-rousing like BNP/UKIP/Trump all engaged in.

[TestMangler]

The local electorate didn't want it anywhere near as much until the SNP and similar inflamed the issue. Basic rabble-rousing like BNP/UKIP/Trump all engaged in.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey. You really are unbelievably stupid !

[d000hg]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey. You really are unbelievably stupid !

That's quite the compliment coming from you. Thanks testie.