Strewth, there's an app for that

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A lawyer should be present during sex who will prepare a sex contract.

Were you a medieval king that is pretty much what you got on your wedding night. The sheets would be displayed in the morning hopefully with blood on them to prove the queens hymen had broken.

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Science suggests 2-6% of all accusations are fraudulent this is consistent with Europe see link in previous post.

thinking about this in odd moments during the day, it's understandable and perhaps even inevitable that sexual assault accusations will have low conviction rates. When something happens in private there are no witnesses so we rely on evidence. Evidence of consent is very tricky, I have no idea of stats but presume violent rape is a small minority and unless it's done quickly, proof of having sex is hard to get.

Compare all this to theft... The item can be found in someone else's possession. Or assault... You have wounds.

If you don't record the act it seems it's always going to be the case. You don't convict for something so serious without being certain, you probably don't get to trial without a reasonable chance of conviction.

As a judge or juror you could sit through 100 cases knowing that statistically many of them are rape, and believing the victim, but unable to convict nonetheless unless the defendant is dumb enough to admit 'yeah but you can't say stop once we've started'

Pretty awful, and pretty hard to see a way to change it

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thinking about this in odd moments during the day, it's understandable and perhaps even inevitable that sexual assault accusations will have low conviction rates. When something happens in private there are no witnesses so we rely on evidence. Evidence of consent is very tricky, I have no idea of stats but presume violent rape is a small minority and unless it's done quickly, proof of having sex is hard to get.

Compare all this to theft... The item can be found in someone else's possession. Or assault... You have wounds.

If you don't record the act it seems it's always going to be the case. You don't convict for something so serious without being certain, you probably don't get to trial without a reasonable chance of conviction.

As a judge or juror you could sit through 100 cases knowing that statistically many of them are rape, and believing the victim, but unable to convict nonetheless unless the defendant is dumb enough to admit 'yeah but you can't say stop once we've started'

Pretty awful, and pretty hard to see a way to change it

Note 2-6% are fraudulent claims so claiming rape where it is proven the the accuser lied about the offence happening.

~50% of those that go to court (which in the UK is 1.5% prosecution less than the fraudulent ones) are unproven or innocent of rape on the available facts . It is entirely possible the accuser has a different opinion about the events than the defendant, ask any expert, witnesses rarely fully agree at any crime scene.

My hope is that the app can accentuate the seriousness of the consent and divide between that which happens without consent at all and that which happens when the consent changes.

The situations I have heard frequently the expectations of both parties are different and their attitudes to sex are different. Stopping them and asking for recorded consent might provide a barrier at which they align.

I personally have been in situations where we were pretty intimate but she didn't want to go further. I was keen to do so but stopped as requested, if you added lots of alcohol or serious misogyny and some people may not have. Note in all but one case (an almost one night stand) we happily went much further later in the relationship).

I imagine consent would be removed pretty quickly if you said during sex "Your sister is better at that" while you ejaculated. In the current situation she could claim rape and there would likely be no conviction unless he continued after saying that.