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    #11
    Originally posted by Eirikur View Post
    350 million per week for the NHS it said on the red bus and the gammons fell for it
    Such a trite and boring thing to come out with. Thank you for adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. Like usual.

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      #12
      It is easier to think about the surrounding information of the pay rise. Inflation is not 0.88% or 0.9% as is being stated. If economists were intelligent they would check their receipts for costs last year. I am buying normal items and 90% seem to be more expensive than 2019 and 2020, with food being the main indicator. Most things I buy are up 10% to 30%. Regular consumables in general are up 20%, as a guess.

      This is the reason 1% for nurses isn't great. Don't confuse averages with the pay scale. If people earn under £25k I think a 5% pay rise would have been a good 'thank you'. When you consider that the rich have been sat at home still earning and many people have been furloughed and legally permitted to work in one or more jobs, well, I do pity what the NHS workload has been the last year.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Whorty View Post

        Given that we need nurses I don't think we'd be giving anything away for free. The fact that people want to be a nurse is a good thing, but the the potential nurses not being able to afford to train is so wrong.

        When Mrs W was in the hospice we got talking to a student nurse. She was coming to the end of a 6 month placement at Salisbury hospital and hospice. During that 6 months she was still paying tuition fees and she was given zero payment for the 6 months work placement. How many other professions would be forced to work for free in order to get their degree?
        They can afford it (training) as it is a government backed and guaranteed loan. And a nurse may well not pay it all back. The student loan break-even salary = £27,500 | AJ Bell
        It is a deferred taxation.
        The alternative to the student paying it is for the tax payer to pay for it. How fair is it that people who don't go to university fund the people that do? To make tuition free would be a regressive tax policy.

        It is unfair right now to the students in that they are working with older co-workers who didn't have to pay. I don't have an answer to that.

        A lesser known impact of free health tuition......
        My wife lectures in health care, and one of the biggest problems they had was total wastes of skin and organs getting onto their courses as they were 'free'. Now that they're not the quality of the intake has improved.

        The entire higher education industry is going to change though. Why would a teenager go through all that, for an often worthless degree (yes media students, and social scientists, I'm looking at you), when they can get a paid apprenticeship. Paid apprenticeships often get proper qualifications as well.

        As for the 1% pay rise. Nobody else is getting one. And everyone has more cash now anyway as they can't go out or on holiday. It's not like they're badly paid. They're just not well paid.

        See You Next Tuesday

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          #14
          Originally posted by Whorty View Post

          Given that we need nurses I don't think we'd be giving anything away for free. The fact that people want to be a nurse is a good thing, but the the potential nurses not being able to afford to train is so wrong.

          When Mrs W was in the hospice we got talking to a student nurse. She was coming to the end of a 6 month placement at Salisbury hospital and hospice. During that 6 months she was still paying tuition fees and she was given zero payment for the 6 months work placement. How many other professions would be forced to work for free in order to get their degree?
          This is why you talk all the teens and 20-somethings you are related to out of such professions.

          Anyway the argument is to hide a B***** screw up over food.
          "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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            #15
            Originally posted by AtW View Post
            Rishi is really the PM material
            Interesting that pushing through private sector IR35 rollout in the middle of a pandemic/lockdown hasn't dampened your enthusiasm one bit. I think quite a few "actual contractors" are not quite so enthusiastic.

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              #16
              Originally posted by TwoWolves View Post
              Interesting that pushing through private sector IR35 rollout in the middle of a pandemic/lockdown hasn't dampened your enthusiasm one bit. I think quite a few "actual contractors" are not quite so enthusiastic.
              I was sarcastic

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                #17
                Originally posted by agentzero View Post
                Most things I buy are up 10% to 30%. Regular consumables in general are up 20%, as a guess.
                ONS figures for Jan 2021 give RPI as 1.4% and CPIH as 0.9%, significantly different to your 20% guess.

                This is of course relies on the "basket" chosen to represent those measures. Do you think the basket components are unrepresentative (and if so, how) or do you think the actual measurements reported by ONS are incorrect?

                I haven't noticed hugely different prices for anything I've bought, compared to a year ago, but I realise my buying profile may not fit the general trend.

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                  #18
                  Nurses might be only getting 1%, but at least there are some winners in the public sector.

                  https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...s-pay-dispute/

                  I design idiot proof software. Trouble is, they keep making better idiots.

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