Did Boris boink her as well?

[vetran]

You need to use primary sources if you are going to argue facts. Even then primary sources may be opinions and not facts.

You mean like the testimony of people who were actually there stored in places like the national archives, Smithsonian published via the Guardian or BBC? Oh sorry I did that, people are still posting Tulip as I have proven why don't you attack them?

There are only facts in History, theories about what happened are a possible map to the facts.

[SueEllen]

You mean like the testimony of people who were actually there stored in places like the national archives, Smithsonian published via the Guardian or BBC? Oh sorry I did that, people are still posting Tulip as I have proven why don't you attack them?

There are only facts in History, theories about what happened are a possible map to the facts.

History is simply not a list of facts but you know that.

[vetran]

All your posts only look at how 'wonderful' Britain was, and everyone else, whichever side they were on, were rubbish. You can't see the good in other countries, and you can never see the negative in Britain. Your views are biased and blinkered.

WW2, like WW1 and other wars, are atrocious. They are not to be proud of. Soldiers from both sides will have been brave, and equally there would be soldiers on both sides 'evil'.

I'm not saying that the one side you portray is all wrong, but yo don't give a balanced view. Please re-read your posts and see why you come across as jingoistic.

All your accusations and opinions have been unsupported by facts. I have replied with facts. Your accusations come across as unfounded and anti the UK, do try to prove me wrong rather than just insult me.

The UK is guilty of many things but frequently the reasons it is guilty are the circumstances of the time. Whilst I may have presented a positive set of facts I am happy to look at any negative facts you eventually, if ever produce.

You accuse Churchill of abandoning our SE Asian colonies but what proof do you put forward? The UK was fighting a war on multiple fronts and the government at the time HAD to choose. Do they fight the Germans, Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, Slavs, Bulgarians, Croatians, Finnish and Thais and have a small possibility of winning or should they fight Japan as well?

Is that something to be ashamed of as you present or is it Pragmatic? As I said the allies (including the UK but mainly the Americans) fought for years against just the Japanese and only won because of nukes. We lost the channel islands and didn't recapture them, should that be considered shameful?

Cannon talks about the Munich betrayal as I said we could have thrown sofa cushions at them we had feck all else.

I don't regret having an Empire at the time everyone was doing it. If we hadn't India likely would have been French, Africa would be Dutch or German and the US Spanish. The commonwealth is a unique organisation where ex colonies choose to work with us because we weren't really terrible Imperial rulers. Do please cite similar organisations for the other fallen Empires. I for one would never want to be part of the Belgian Empire, not sure about the French or German either, try reading a bit about them and work out why.

I do regret slavery but as it has happened from the dawn in time everywhere, our part in stopping it should be an immense source of pride to anyone associated with the UK.

I regret the atrocities of the first & second world war but thankfully very few were committed by the UK and of those most were prosecuted.


Lets bring a few bad things out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied...g_World_War_II

Yes the British and American troops committed crimes but they tended to be rape by a single soldier not 20 like the Russians & Germans. We weren't too keen on Massacres either.

[vetran]

History is simply not a list of facts but you know that.

That may be your opinion but its not mine.

It is, there are plenty of stories but they need to fit the facts and the motives understood.

[Whorty]

All your accusations and opinions have been unsupported by facts. I have replied with facts. Your accusations come across as unfounded and anti the UK, do try to prove me wrong rather than just insult me.
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My accusations are of you being jingoistic and xenophobic. Your posts are the proof. I'm not anti UK any more than I am anti or pro any other modern nation.

You live in history. You live in the glory days of colonial Britain. Almost every one of your posts is critisising other countries, and only showing what you consider the positive traits on the UK.

All I'm saying is, all (well most) countries have both positive and negatives. Even North Korea; the average North Korean is no different from you or I, they just happen to have been born under the wrong flag. You, however, seem to put all people in a nation in the same bucket, you fail to see people as individuals, as fellow humans. That, my friend, is quite a sad way to go through life.

[vetran]

My accusations are of you being jingoistic and xenophobic. Your posts are the proof. I'm not anti UK any more than I am anti or pro any other modern nation.

You live in history. You live in the glory days of colonial Britain. Almost every one of your posts is critisising other countries, and only showing what you consider the positive traits on the UK.

All I'm saying is, all (well most) countries have both positive and negatives. Even North Korea; the average North Korean is no different from you or I, they just happen to have been born under the wrong flag. You, however, seem to put all people in a nation in the same bucket, you fail to see people as individuals, as fellow humans. That, my friend, is quite a sad way to go through life.

I have not posted serious incorrect and unsubstantiated accusations about the Allies in WW2. I have posted links to facts that prove your accusations are incorrect, I have supported any of my accusations with facts.

I am sad to confirm that the UK has been responsible for lots of atrocities, we were big on shooting defenceless tribesmen and protestors etc. however I know the British outlawed murder, rape and looting by soldiers on duty during the Napoleonic wars unlike other armies.

Germans have been at the forefront of Physics and psychology for decades but they also committed atrocities in WW1 & 2. The Russians were well ahead in architecture & Literature but they raped their way to Berlin.

[Gibbon]

Really .. you're one of a few on here then

Unfortunately your fellow ex-servicemen on here, and those I meet locally (I live in an ex-military hotspot) live up to my generalisation pretty well. There will always be exceptions and I know you're well thought of on CUK, but you really are the exception in my (anecdotal) experience.

Well you must be in a category of 1!

The trouble is you wouldn't necessarily know people like me had been in. The ones that out themselves are what we used to term MCs (Military Cabbages). Most of the people I worked with joined out of necessity back in the eighties when most northern industries were in decline. We got some superb technical training and they (the RAF) got their aircraft fixed. Most summers never even wore a uniform, cycled into work in shorts and T-shirt threw some overalls on and found out what needed fixing. Amongst engineers there was no rank until you got to the officers, all civil first name terms.

[vetran]

Well you must be in a category of 1!

The trouble is you wouldn't necessarily know people like me had been in. The ones that out themselves are what we used to term MCs (Military Cabbages). Most of the people I worked with joined out of necessity back in the eighties when most northern industries were in decline. We got some superb technical training and they (the RAF) got their aircraft fixed. Most summers never even wore a uniform, cycled into work in shorts and T-shirt threw some overalls on and found out what needed fixing. Amongst engineers there was no rank until you got to the officers, all civil first name terms.

Nope I also find your posts insightful and informative most times.