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[Smartie]

Oh leftie made up tulip! I'm right on , I hate fatch!!!

Going to ignore the random personal abuse because you know, Ad Hominem says more about the poster.

Anyway, nice figures but you're missing the point - those are UK wide numbers.

I've personal experience of one of the areas decimated by the early Thatcher years - 30% unemployment there and it took decades to recover when eventually call centres and similar employment finally arrived.

The Thatcher government allowed many miners, steel workers and those from associated industried onto sickness benefit. Partly because quite a few of them were sick, but also because they were never likely to get another job. No jobs left in the area at all for those people even with 'retraining' and despite their strong work ethic, wanting to provide for their families.
This was also good for the government because it kept all those people out of the unemployment statistics (ref your post).

Unfortunately, the continuing lack of jobs and the raising of kids in unemployed households resulted in generational unemployment which became embedded as a normal way of life, rather than a safety net.

Just because you don't know people who didn't choose it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen of course.
As for you 'get on your bike' Tebbit-style quote, yes a lot of people did, like me. People who could - those who had the education, intellect or whatever to move on up.
However, people have family and friends in those areas, they don't have the skills or the money so they can't all move down South, and why should they?
Maybe if that Tory government has invested properly in those areas in the eighties, Boris wouldn't still have to be promising to 'level up' now.

I see you favour the continued rentier approach where landlords make all the money and people are kept without the ability to raise a deposit and actually buy their own house, for their own benefit.
Guessing there is some self-interest going on there.

[vetran]

Going to ignore the random personal abuse because you know, Ad Hominem says more about the poster.

Anyway, nice figures but you're missing the point - those are UK wide numbers.

I've personal experience of one of the areas decimated by the early Thatcher years - 30% unemployment there and it took decades to recover when eventually call centres and similar employment finally arrived.

The Thatcher government allowed many miners, steel workers and those from associated industried onto sickness benefit. Partly because quite a few of them were sick, but also because they were never likely to get another job. No jobs left in the area at all for those people even with 'retraining' and despite their strong work ethic, wanting to provide for their families.
This was also good for the government because it kept all those people out of the unemployment statistics (ref your post).

Unfortunately, the continuing lack of jobs and the raising of kids in unemployed households resulted in generational unemployment which became embedded as a normal way of life, rather than a safety net.

Just because you don't know people who didn't choose it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen of course.
As for you 'get on your bike' Tebbit-style quote, yes a lot of people did, like me. People who could - those who had the education, intellect or whatever to move on up.
However, people have family and friends in those areas, they don't have the skills or the money so they can't all move down South, and why should they?
Maybe if that Tory government has invested properly in those areas in the eighties, Boris wouldn't still have to be promising to 'level up' now.

I see you favour the continued rentier approach where landlords make all the money and people are kept without the ability to raise a deposit and actually buy their own house, for their own benefit.
Guessing there is some self-interest going on there.

If you post something stupid without facts then don't you expect derision?

When Maggie took over unemployment was rising sharply, factories were being closed, I have been to so many huge sites down south that were closed in the 70s,80s & 90s initially because the unions resisted any change so companies just closed up and went abroad.

She left the overall level of unemployment the same as when she started it may have been higher up north.

Blair inherited a falling unemployment level but at 1% higher than Maggie left but Cameron inherited an 8% unemployment rate 2 % more than Maggie left. Why don't you blame Blair & Brown for generational unemployment?

Blair & Brown were big on incapacity benefit maybe we should review their record?

JSTOR: Access Check

Just over 2.5 million people of working age were on the incapacity benefit register in Great Britain in 2006, twice as many as 15 years earlier, and we explore the factors contributing to that huge growth.

Was that down to coal mining? Can we blame fatch? The 250,000 made unemployed as coal miners are dwarfed by the 1.25 million Blair left unemployed on incapacity benefit.

I can assure you unemployment happened down here as well, when I and my friends left school in the early eighties there was no work hence YTS and then an apprenticeship. I didn't start earning a decent wage until my 20s.

My first 4 basic career choices slowly became roles likely to become extinct, I retrained myself every time. I have then taken another 5 major turns just within IT. Many successful people I have worked with have had similar experience.

Many of my family live up north, some even worked for the coal board and were laid off. None of them have been unemployed for any length of time, many of them did not have further education. Some joined the forces and retrained, worked abroad or moved down here before Tebbit even thought of it.

One of my managers in the late 80s drove down in his ford Granada every week from Yorkshire on Sunday night and disappeared as early as possible on Friday afternoon. He stayed initially in a B&B but ended up sharing with another chap. He was hardly minted just determined to be in work. His family were miners.

The problem with the coal mines that like my first few jobs it became obvious that jobs there were going to become extinct too because so many people died extracting it or using it Oil and nuclear were going to replace it. The Miners refused to retrain and so became unemployable. Finding a job is your problem the government may help but its all on you.


The renter approach is the only game in town until prices come down to affordable levels. That can only happen when we have enough dwellings. Encouraging landlords to take welfare tenants would mean fewer are refused tenancies over professional people.

How would you replace the rental model and how would you fund it?

I actually have no rental properties so I will lose if prices fall, me house is me pension innit! Well as well as some stonking final salary ones.

[vetran]

Thanks for the figures. As for your comment above, you're going to be waiting for some time - perhaps you should ask the person who actually said it ;-)

Multiple personalities are a bitch! try here

Social housing has been decimated and the remaining stock is often of poor quality - if we want cleaners, bus drivers etc. in areas of otherwise high incomes and we want them to live in decent housing, we need more social housing.

[AtW]

So I can claim my holiday pay and employee rights from all the banks I’ve worked at from the moment I logged on in the morning until I logged off?

Only if you are paying employee level taxes...

[AtW]

Corporate welfare - exactly. This has been the hidden neo liberal business narrative for a long time now. Poor people are chastised for being benefits scroungers whilst rich corporates rack up billions upon billions in subsidies, grants and tax breaks every year whilst corporate taxes fall. Some estimates have this corporate welfare at around £100 billion a year, just in the UK.

Corps pay a lot of taxes and provide employment, more importantly they provide goods/services that are in demand (otherwise they won’t have revenues).

[AtW]

Meanwhile in America people are above courts -

'I can't keep doing this': gig workers say pay has fallen after California's Prop 22 | California | The Guardian

[Smartie]

Multiple personalities are a bitch! try here

You seem really stressed, are you OK?
I guess it's the lockdown - do you have someone you can talk to?

Anyway, you should look up the definition of social housing and note that it's not the same thing as housing association.

As for the rest of your comments, I see you have an immovable view of the world.
It's not unusual amongst successful people, this exceptionalism.
Everyone likes to believe it's purely their skills and motivation that did it.
In fact, your achievements, and everyone else's are 50% luck. At least. The data is out there, if you care.
Have a great weekend.

[vetran]

You seem really stressed, are you OK?
I guess it's the lockdown - do you have someone you can talk to?

Anyway, you should look up the definition of social housing and note that it's not the same thing as housing association.

As for the rest of your comments, I see you have an immovable view of the world.
It's not unusual amongst successful people, this exceptionalism.
Everyone likes to believe it's purely their skills and motivation that did it.
In fact, your achievements, and everyone else's are 50% luck. At least. The data is out there, if you care.
Have a great weekend.

I get annoyed when people suggest I am incorrect or something is wrong, I have to fix it if I can. Years of support & critical work I suppose.

social housing covers both council & Housing Association - lets ask some experts.

What is social housing - Shelter England

Social homes are provided by housing associations (not-for-profit organisations that own, let, and manage rented housing) or a local council. As a social tenant, you rent your home from the housing association or council, who are your landlord.
Social housing is also sometimes referred to as council housing, although these types of homes are slightly different in terms of the type of tenancy agreement you sign, and the rights you have to property as a result.

Provide some evidence and I will change my apparently immovable mind. My view of the world is driven by evidence. If it hadn't been for Maggie we would have been far worse off, the figures prove it. If new lie had carried on we would be in real trouble.

Yep I am a lucky dog, I was born in the UK to a Family that expected me to achieve and supported me.

I have survived through multiple financial crisis I first nearly lost my home in the ERM crisis, 15% interest is a bitch, some friends did lose theirs. I have been low on work plenty of times, jumped from sinking ships, twice made redundant, lost a long term contract to offshoring, every time my savings and will to reinvent myself meant I succeeded. I did have some 'luck' as you see it some of my old bosses (and bosses' bosses rang me up and offered me jobs if I wanted them, the same bosses have done that multiple times. Some recruiters were intrigued with my end customers or inventive solutions and put me forward.


Luck - I'm more of the opinion this quote covers it.

"I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."