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If someone is well known for stating that being gay is wrong...Their homophobia and anti-female rhetoric is beyond most people's comprehension and acceptable, they suffer accordingly.
I don't agree with the removal of the Jordan Peterson invitation to Cambridge, but you seem unable to compare a serious offender, some who have faced jail time, compared to someone who is a researcher or has a background in examining the context of language and its use
Rather than have a bunch of white middle aged men complain about political correctness
why not consider that it does have some benefit into a more formalised language of politeness and respect for those who are likely to face such abuse simply for being gay/black/<insert minority>Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by rogerfederer View PostCan you imagine what would happen if nobody was ever no-platformed and people could always say whatever rubbish that came into their head? All sorts of tribal notions would emerge and society would breakdown.
Freedom of expression is a mechanism against this pompous moral absolutism.
Hate speech is one thing, but the other posters are describing incredibly nuanced topics, which those with "the one true moral stance" are using to hound otherwise legitimate concerns and opinions.Leave a comment:
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I'm not sure what is more entertaining, the criticism of outspoken public figures or the criticism of the critics of outspoken public figures.
Surely if you provoke you will provoke the provoked.
Let the entertainment continue.....
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People who criticise those who critise should be severely criticised.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by rogerfederer View PostCan you imagine what would happen if nobody was ever no-platformed and people could always say whatever rubbish that came into their head?Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by dx4100 View PostAfter Nick Griffin appeared on Question Time his entire party and message went down the toilet just as it was starting to gain ground again...
Now, that's a proper Neo Nazi, not JK Rowling, Germaine Greer et al.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by rogerfederer View PostIf someone is well known for stating that being gay is wrong, they should be harmed in some way or whatever then that doesn't conform to the views of society. They can have a youtube channel and it can be moderated by the content host, but we wouldn't want or expect them to have a platform at a university to spout their bile. You live in a society that believes sexuality is fluid for some people and appears static for others, with some people attracting to the personality and mind of a person regardless of their born physical sex. There's a good reason church attendance is at record lows if you take a long term views. Their homophobia and anti-female rhetoric is beyond most people's comprehension and acceptable, they suffer accordingly.
I don't agree with the removal of the Jordan Peterson invitation to Cambridge, but you seem unable to compare a serious offender, some who have faced jail time, compared to someone who is a researcher or has a background in examining the context of language and its use.
As our expats in Germany will attest, there have been neo-nazis in Germany complaining about being no platformed after trying to get a platform using alternative names and identities. The worst possible outcome would be we never no-platform anybody and end up with a society in which certain parts of the society are unable to differentiate between poor quality and good quality information. It already exists now, but at a manageable low level. Can you imagine what would happen if nobody was ever no-platformed and people could always say whatever rubbish that came into their head? All sorts of tribal notions would emerge and society would breakdown.
Ultimately people of minority grouping ended up verbally abused, ridiculed, beaten up and even killed for being who they knew they truly were. Rather than have a bunch of white middle aged men complain about political correctness, why not consider that it does have some benefit into a more formalised language of politeness and respect for those who are likely to face such abuse simply for being gay/black/<insert minority>.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by woohoo View PostWell I'm happy that we have you to decide what's inflammatory, racist or homophobic.
Do you agree with Jordan Peterson invitation to Cambridge being rescinded? Surely Universities should be a place to freely discuss all different type of views and arguments.
I don't agree with the removal of the Jordan Peterson invitation to Cambridge, but you seem unable to compare a serious offender, some who have faced jail time, compared to someone who is a researcher or has a background in examining the context of language and its use.
As our expats in Germany will attest, there have been neo-nazis in Germany complaining about being no platformed after trying to get a platform using alternative names and identities. The worst possible outcome would be we never no-platform anybody and end up with a society in which certain parts of the society are unable to differentiate between poor quality and good quality information. It already exists now, but at a manageable low level. Can you imagine what would happen if nobody was ever no-platformed and people could always say whatever rubbish that came into their head? All sorts of tribal notions would emerge and society would breakdown.
Ultimately people of minority grouping ended up verbally abused, ridiculed, beaten up and even killed for being who they knew they truly were. Rather than have a bunch of white middle aged men complain about political correctness, why not consider that it does have some benefit into a more formalised language of politeness and respect for those who are likely to face such abuse simply for being gay/black/<insert minority>.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by rogerfederer View PostIs it fair to stop neo-nazis, for example, having a podium to express their opinions on Question Time or at Oxford Talk open days? Yes, I think it's credible to stop that occurring. The difference is disallowing some minor uncontroversial thing to take place that a broad spectrum of people may be interested in, such as politics, where opinions are the source of much ire.
After Nick Griffin appeared on Question Time his entire party and message went down the toilet just as it was starting to gain ground again...
You can't hide that certain views exists. You need to bring them out of the shadows and shine light on them and make them look stupid. Much like we do with some of the posters on here talking about how face masks will save the worldLeave a comment:
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