COVID paranoia

[Excursion UK]

He's bought into a belief that it's all the same and that there's nothing the UK government could have done, or should have done better, and the UK's tracing process is the best in the world as we have been told ever since the government chose to reject the google/apple option.

I am of pretty much the opposite view of that.

[WTFH]

I am of pretty much the opposite view of that.

So, Sweden didn't do a good job.
New Zealand did.
The UK government messed up at the start and has done so ever since
If we had locked down earlier and properly, we'd have had fewer deaths.

Glad you're in full agreement

[Old Greg]

You have not justified "why the UK has a different culture".

I have shown how Nordic countries have a shared culture, which the UK is not a part of. Do you really think that Sweden is not culturally more similar to Denmark and Norway (for instance) than it is the the UK?

So, scandi [sic] countries vs UK is a question of social cohesion vs rugged individualism??

I didn't say that. I was explaining why culture is a relevant factor, once you had stopped discussing the differences between Nordic and UK culture and started questioning the relevance of culture. And neither have I said at any point that the differences between Nordic and UK are a question of social cohesion vs rugged individualism.

Rubbish, if anything people in the UK have completely overdone sticking to the govt rules and guidelines so much so that there was concern in govt circles that people wouldn't willingly return to normal once the lockdown had been lifted. And look at all the voluntary support networks set up here and the Thursday night clapping. Rugged individualism eh?

Can you evidence your statement around people in the UK overdoing sticking to the rules in comparison to the Nordic countries? Can you explain where I said that the UK was a country of rugged individualism. I described a continuum.

You still haven't said why the UK is a better comparator for Sweden than Nordic countries, or to give a specific example, Denmark?

[Excursion UK]

So, Sweden didn't do a good job.
New Zealand did.
The UK government messed up at the start and has done so ever since
If we had locked down earlier and properly, we'd have had fewer deaths.

Glad you're in full agreement

Not regarding lockdown. I'd have liked to have seen support for the shielding of vulnerable people and for the rest of us being able to go about our daily business.

[Old Greg]

So, Sweden didn't do a good job.
New Zealand did.
The UK government messed up at the start and has done so ever since
If we had locked down earlier and properly, we'd have had fewer deaths.

Glad you're in full agreement

I know he's not easy to follow, but I believe what he's saying is that the success of Sweden in comparison to the UK shows why lockdown is not worth it. But he refuses to consider the failure of Sweden in comparison to other Nordic countries and to acknowledge that Sweden is more comparable to other Nordic countries than it is to the UK. There's a word I'm searching for.

[AtW]

Don’t feed sockie troll.

[Old Greg]

Don’t feed sockie troll.

A troll is being deliberately provocative. Sadly, I think EUK is not a troll.

[AtW]

Time for mods to do some contact tracing me thinking

[WTFH]

Not regarding lockdown. I'd have liked to have seen support for the shielding of vulnerable people and for the rest of us being able to go about our daily business.

Ah, so you've changed your mind and New Zealand is a really bad example of how a proper lockdown kept the virus in check? Or are you now denying that NZ consists of islands?

This government was too little, too late.

[merseygrit]

So, Sweden didn't do a good job.
New Zealand did.
The UK government messed up at the start and has done so ever since
If we had locked down earlier and properly, we'd have had fewer deaths.

Glad you're in full agreement

... and saved the economy. A early and full lockdown would have been shorter.