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Churchill - antisemitic racist or war hero?
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Originally posted by AtW View Postvetran is like Trump - says moronic thing and then claims it was a “joke” or “sarcasm”
I correct people and point to valid sources for support.
I pointed out that they were men of their time that we needed desperately, I didn't think i needed to explain the cuddly joke.
Old Smeg suggested none of the war leaders cared about anti antisemitism and other NAZI ideals, I proved him wrong
Trump and a few posters here make stuff up.Last edited by vetran; 9 June 2020, 15:24.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by scooterscot View PostHe was also a drunk.
Well by modern standards its an illness and forgives many transgressions. You can't have it both ways.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by SimonMac View PostIt seems people are coming to the realisation that people are not black or white, good men can do bad things, and its very difficult to paint a person as one or the other
Originally posted by scooterscot View PostHe was also a drunk.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by woohoo View PostAnd you are ugly but at least tomorrow he will be sober, dead sober.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by rootsnall View PostA man of his time who finally found something he was good at ( apart from writing ) courtesy of WW2.
Arguably that was in the Boer war
The Boer War - The International Churchill Society
In this last youthful military adventure, Churchill set off and arrived in Cape Town late on 30 October 1899. He was famously captured only two weeks later by the Boers, when the armoured train on which he was travelling in Boer-occupied territory was ambushed and derailed. The following month, having spent his twenty-fifth birthday imprisoned, Churchill made a dramatic escape by climbing over a wall, riding a freight train, hiding in a coal mine and eventually boarding a train into Portuguese East Africa.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostNo it wasn't. Lets look at some expert opinion:
Churchill and the Holocaust: The Possible and Impossible - The International Churchill Society
Roosevelt
"Arsenal of Democracy" Speech, Franklin Roosevelt, 29 December 1940
To be fair to Churchill, he was something of an outlier in the Conservative Party (perhaps because he had crossed the floor) in seeing the big picture threat the civilization that the Nazis posed. But that's not why the Allies went to war (and of course Churchill was not PM in 1939).Comment
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostTo be fair to Churchill, he was something of an outlier in the Conservative Party (perhaps because he had crossed the floor) in seeing the big picture threat the civilization that the Nazis posed. But that's not why the Allies went to war (and of course Churchill was not PM in 1939).
The suggestion was that the war leaders had not factored NAZI crimes or aggression into their reason for war, they were just stopping German expansion that is clearly untrue.
Neville Chamberlain - WW2, Hitler & Appeasement - Biography
Rather than challenge acts of aggression by Nazi Germany, Chamberlain sought ways to pacify Hitler. Chamberlain signed the Munich Pact in 1938, which gave parts of Czechoslovakia to Germany. Some have speculated that his desire to keep the peace was somewhat driven by Britain being outmatched by Germany's military at the time.
Chamberlain seemed to have underestimated Hitler's ambitions. In March 1939, Hitler violated the Munich Pact by invading Czechoslovakia. Britain and France agreed to protect Poland later that month. After Hitler's forces entered Poland that September, Chamberlain officially declared war on Germany; this declaration came shortly after the invasion, but his slight delay in making this announcement negatively impacted Chamberlain's popularity.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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“Of all the small nations of this earth, perhaps only the ancient Greeks surpass the Scots in their contribution to mankind.”
― Winston Churchill"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostAfter years of appeasement (arguably so we could re-arm) the British Government drew a line in the sand over Poland with a mutual treaty, we had no real military need to do that. Germany invaded Poland we upheld our part of the treaty.
The suggestion was that the war leaders had not factored NAZI crimes or aggression into their reason for war, they were just stopping German expansion that is clearly untrue.
Neville Chamberlain - WW2, Hitler & Appeasement - Biography
I happen to think that history's assessment of Chamberlain as an appeaser is harsh. The prevailing thinking at the time seriously overestimated the impact of aerial bombing of civilian population centres. And Chamberlain used the time bought to good effect by rearming.Comment
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