Feminatsi wants cake and then some...

[IR35 Avoider]

I think the problem is that it seems quite reasonably while "no means no" the converse is not true, "yes does not necessarily mean yes".

I'm not following the argument closely enough to understand in what scenario yes didn't mean consent, but reasonable belief of consent is a defence against a rape conviction, so even if yes didn't mean consent, if it can reasonably be interpreted as consent by the hearer, that's legally good enough.

[vetran]

I'm not following the argument closely enough to understand in what scenario yes didn't mean consent, but reasonable belief of consent is a defence against a rape conviction, so even if yes didn't mean consent, if it can reasonably be interpreted as consent by the hearer, that's legally good enough.

depends who defines reasonable doesn't it?

As per the link it seems its being redefined.

[Jog On]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...en-at-all-cost

Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

Across Wall Street, men are adopting controversial strategies for the #MeToo era and, in the process, making life even harder for women.

[GreenMirror]

That’s the old slippery slope scenario isn’t it “we’re dangerously close to...”

If a person says no to a sex act, that should be taken to mean no. I realise that is an anathema to some of the lotharios on here, but it’s as simple as that. Do you disagree?

We’re not dangerously close to anything that can’t be sorted with a bit of self control.

So if you have the vinegar strokes and your partner suddenly says no, what are you supposed to do?

[Zigenare]

So if you have the vinegar strokes and your partner suddenly says no, what are you supposed to do?

Why do you think curtains were invented?

[GreenMirror]

Why do you think curtains were invented?

For ex's to sew prawns into to get revenge?

[Gibbon]

20 years ago, when newly single I never had this problem, first time sex I always let the girl 'lead'. If I felt they were unsure, I would just leave it at that. If I was fully engorged, off to the bathroom for a wank, simples. If I was pissed beyond reason then sex wouldn't be happening.

[NotAllThere]

20 years ago, when newly single I never had this problem, first time sex I always let the girl 'lead'. If I felt they were unsure, I would just leave it at that. If I was fully engorged, off to the bathroom for a wank, simples. If I was pissed beyond reason then sex wouldn't be happening.

So effectively what it says on Jog On's link. "An idea from one man in the business: Try not to be a jerk"

[Gibbon]

So effectively what it says on Jog On's link. "An idea from one man in the business: Try not to be a jerk"

Missed that, but yes. The other thing is I can't understand why a man would want sex with an unresponsive woman, personally its the lust in a womans eyes that floats my boat, dull and uninterested = uninterested Gibbon.

But I don't like strip clubs etc either.

[Zigenare]

Missed that, but yes. The other thing is I can't understand why a man would want sex with an unresponsive woman, personally its the lust in a womans eyes that floats my boat, dull and uninterested = uninterested Gibbon.

But I don't like strip clubs etc either.

Methinks you've been reading too much Jilly Cooper!