Reply to: Feminatsi wants cake and then some...

[Gibbon]

If she wakes up in the morning and sees that your more Jeremy Clarkson than Jeremy Renner and claims she didn't consent, you're still stuffed.

But that never happened due to my good looks and gentlemanly conduct. You, with that paranoia, are very much at risk!

[LondonManc]

20 years ago, when newly single I never had this problem, first time sex I always let the girl 'lead'. If I felt they were unsure, I would just leave it at that. If I was fully engorged, off to the bathroom for a wank, simples. If I was pissed beyond reason then sex wouldn't be happening.

If she wakes up in the morning and sees that your more Jeremy Clarkson than Jeremy Renner and claims she didn't consent, you're still stuffed.

[shaunbhoy]

If you can't tell, then best refrain.

Easy for YOU to say. Your right hand is never likely to call the Plod the morning after.

[LondonManc]

This happens so very, very rarely that it's practically a non issue.

The Eastenders storyline is that the girl got drunk, flirted with two guys and went to bed with one of them consensually. She went to sleep/passed out and when she came to, the other was on top of her. Assuming the facts of the case as presented to the viewers are correct, then that is rape even if she was snogging him earlier in the evening.


Even if 5% of rape claims are invented, that means 95% are not. And it's the guys you're worrying about??

Ah, the Ched Evans case then.

[Gibbon]

Methinks you've been reading too much Jilly Cooper!

Well I do like a 'rider'!

[Zigenare]

Missed that, but yes. The other thing is I can't understand why a man would want sex with an unresponsive woman, personally its the lust in a womans eyes that floats my boat, dull and uninterested = uninterested Gibbon.

But I don't like strip clubs etc either.

Methinks you've been reading too much Jilly Cooper!

[Gibbon]

So effectively what it says on Jog On's link. "An idea from one man in the business: Try not to be a jerk"

Missed that, but yes. The other thing is I can't understand why a man would want sex with an unresponsive woman, personally its the lust in a womans eyes that floats my boat, dull and uninterested = uninterested Gibbon.

But I don't like strip clubs etc either.

[NotAllThere]

20 years ago, when newly single I never had this problem, first time sex I always let the girl 'lead'. If I felt they were unsure, I would just leave it at that. If I was fully engorged, off to the bathroom for a wank, simples. If I was pissed beyond reason then sex wouldn't be happening.

So effectively what it says on Jog On's link. "An idea from one man in the business: Try not to be a jerk"

[Gibbon]

20 years ago, when newly single I never had this problem, first time sex I always let the girl 'lead'. If I felt they were unsure, I would just leave it at that. If I was fully engorged, off to the bathroom for a wank, simples. If I was pissed beyond reason then sex wouldn't be happening.

[GreenMirror]

Why do you think curtains were invented?

For ex's to sew prawns into to get revenge?

[Zigenare]

So if you have the vinegar strokes and your partner suddenly says no, what are you supposed to do?

Why do you think curtains were invented?

[GreenMirror]

That’s the old slippery slope scenario isn’t it “we’re dangerously close to...”

If a person says no to a sex act, that should be taken to mean no. I realise that is an anathema to some of the lotharios on here, but it’s as simple as that. Do you disagree?

We’re not dangerously close to anything that can’t be sorted with a bit of self control.

So if you have the vinegar strokes and your partner suddenly says no, what are you supposed to do?

[Jog On]

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[vetran]

I'm not following the argument closely enough to understand in what scenario yes didn't mean consent, but reasonable belief of consent is a defence against a rape conviction, so even if yes didn't mean consent, if it can reasonably be interpreted as consent by the hearer, that's legally good enough.

depends who defines reasonable doesn't it?

As per the link it seems its being redefined.

[IR35 Avoider]

I think the problem is that it seems quite reasonably while "no means no" the converse is not true, "yes does not necessarily mean yes".

I'm not following the argument closely enough to understand in what scenario yes didn't mean consent, but reasonable belief of consent is a defence against a rape conviction, so even if yes didn't mean consent, if it can reasonably be interpreted as consent by the hearer, that's legally good enough.