Breaking: Pimlico Plumbers loses Supreme Court appeal....

[washed up contractor]

....against 'self employed' plumber awarded 'worker' status in earlier hearing. Old Charlie will be pissed off!

[PurpleGorilla]

Good news.

[SueEllen]

May you live in interesting times...

[Dhrucku]

Referring to the BBC website, there is clearly a bad use of the word contractor here – I’d think he is set up as a “temporary” worker.

Having worked for the same company for a prolonged period of time (decision made by the employer) it is the “common sense approach” to hand him entitlement to permanent style benefits such as flexible working. If not done it basically puts the employee at the whim of any employer and hence would put employees at a real disadvantage, something that is absolutely prevalent in the current job market which is the reason for the landmark nature of this decision. I wouldn’t think this translates into the world of us contractors or gig economy for the fact that this case exists because he has been working at Pimlico long – term and therefore has that as leverage to use as a temporary worker.

I’d also think working in the blue collar sector has a slight different rule set compared to regular white collar contracting.

[PurpleGorilla]

Referring to the BBC website, there is clearly a bad use of the word contractor here – I’d think he is set up as a “temporary” worker.

Having worked for the same company for a prolonged period of time (decision made by the employer) it is the “common sense approach” to hand him entitlement to permanent style benefits such as flexible working. If not done it basically puts the employee at the whim of any employer and hence would put employees at a real disadvantage, something that is absolutely prevalent in the current job market which is the reason for the landmark nature of this decision. I wouldn’t think this translates into the world of us contractors or gig economy for the fact that this case exists because he has been working at Pimlico long – term and therefore has that as leverage to use as a temporary worker.

I’d also think working in the blue collar sector has a slight different rule set compared to regular white collar contracting.

Workers are entitled to statutory sick pay, and leave entitlement (paid holiday).

So if you are inside ir35 then surely you should be entitled to these too...?

[Dhrucku]

Workers are entitled to statutory sick pay, and leave entitlement (paid holiday).

So if you are inside ir35 then surely you should be entitled to these too...?

Yes agreed.

I guess this is just more support of bringing those (who want to be) inside of IR35. A small victory for those I guess...

although is being inside IR35 any good at all?!!?

[Yorkie62]

Workers are entitled to statutory sick pay, and leave entitlement (paid holiday).

So if you are inside ir35 then surely you should be entitled to these too...?

Giving the agencies an excuse to withhold 12.5% of income, in their banks accounts, to cover annual leave. Where is the benefit to the Contractor exactly?

[sasguru]

Giving the agencies an excuse to withhold 12.5% of income, in their banks accounts, to cover annual leave. Where is the benefit to the Contractor exactly?

You need to understand that Purple Gorilla is one of the dross. He resents successful contractors.

[Scotslaw]

A bullet in HMRC's gun?

Doesn't this decision basically give HMRC the legal ammunition to consider all contractors within IR35? They might not even have to push through the private sector reform any more.
Very discouraging!

[PurpleGorilla]

You need to understand that Purple Gorilla is one of the dross. He resents successful contractors.

Eh?