Breaking: Pimlico Plumbers loses Supreme Court appeal....

[gables]

If you are a disguised employee then you should be entitled to the benefits of employment.

If *HMRC\client deem you a disguised employee (by ruling IR35 applies) then you should be entitled to the benefits of employment and the paying of employer's NI should be dropped from coming out of the contractor income and paid by the client.

*For me contractors of any kind, even doing similar roles\providing similar skills, are not disguised employees. But HMRC's deliberately blinkered narrow view allows them to act this way.

[TwoWolves]

Have you ever considered that your lack of success in life might be down to your own (lack of) personal qualities, rather than some conspiracy?

You do this every time, whenever anyone challenges your worldview you create a strawman ad hominem attack against whomever and ignore the premise. It's getting quite boring, people must avoid you at social events.

[sasguru]

You do this every time, whenever anyone challenges your worldview you create a strawman ad hominem attack against whomever and ignore the premise..It's getting quite boring, people must avoid you at social events

You do this every time, whenever anyone challenges your worldview, you assume you must be correct and that your point-of-view is non-subjective.
It's getting quite boring, people must think you're a complete dunderhead.

[Zigenare]

You do this every time, whenever anyone challenges your worldview you create a strawman ad hominem attack against whomever and ignore the premise. It's getting quite boring, people must avoid you at social events.

The ignore list and a little self discipline work wonders.

[sasguru]

The ignore list and a little self discipline work wonders.

Yes it must be quite annoying to have your bubble of ignorance prodded. Much easier to hide away.

[Mordac]

You do this every time, whenever anyone challenges your worldview you create a strawman ad hominem attack against whomever and ignore the premise. It's getting quite boring, people must avoid you at social events.

Do you think he ever gets invited to any social events?

[Mordac]

Why would you pay for the accountancy costs of running a ltd if you were PAYE?

One assumes that not all client engagements were "caught" (perhaps only those through agency channels) and that one would still need to operate a ltd. So perhaps 80% of income would be PAYE and 20% ltd, but the costs of running a ltd wouldn't change.

[Scotslaw]

If *HMRC\client deem you a disguised employee (by ruling IR35 applies) then you should be entitled to the benefits of employment

I don't think HMRC particularly care about employment law, the rights of employees, or indeed about anything except charging and collecting tax.
I believe that their only motivation to class workers as within IR35 is to get more tax. I don't think they particularly care if in the process, the worker continues to not be entitled to employment benefits or rights... as long as they are now paying more tax.

[Mordac]

Yes it must be quite annoying to have your bubble of ignorance prodded. Much easier to hide away.

If your bubble of ignorance was ever prodded, the fallout would be horrific...

[gables]

I don't think HMRC particularly care about employment law, the rights of employees, or indeed about anything except charging and collecting tax.
I believe that their only motivation to class workers as within IR35 is to get more tax. I don't think they particularly care if in the process, the worker continues to not be entitled to employment benefits or rights... as long as they are now paying more tax.

I think you're correct.

I just don't know how they kept straight faces in the meeting when they dreamt this up the first time around. Can you imagine it... "let's make them like employees and pay full PAYE on the company income", "but what about the employer's NI", "ah good point, but seeing as they're running a LTD company, they'll be employers, so we'll charge them that as well" Which to me is an admission I'm in business with all the associated risks and challenges.

Oh well ho hum.