The EU and posted workers rights

[original PM]

You need to check out Germany where employers are not allowed to take on staff at below agreed sector wages.

Why do you think wages are rising in Germany ? in fact they're rising at record rates, in spite of an "unlimited" supply of cheap labour.

Wages will rise according to productivity and it doesn't matter how much "cheap Labour" you have access to.

Just because you're in the EU doesn't mean you have to treat people like "tulipe".

And if you read the article I posted you will see that the removal of aid/EU contributions from the Eastern European countries will naturally drive people without work/money to affluent countries where they can be exploited

So looks like ze Germanz are just planning ahead.

[meridian]

And if you read the article I posted you will see that the removal of aid/EU contributions from the Eastern European countries will naturally drive people without work/money to affluent countries where they can be exploited

So looks like ze Germanz are just planning ahead.

Planning ahead by paying a decent wage to everyone? Oh, the horror, the exploitation!

[The_Equalizer]

Just because you're in the EU doesn't mean you have to treat people like "tulipe".

Unless they are citizens of the Greece?

[BlasterBates]

And if you read the article I posted you will see that the removal of aid/EU contributions from the Eastern European countries will naturally drive people without work/money to affluent countries where they can be exploited

So looks like ze Germanz are just planning ahead.

The article doesn't actually say that.

You probably need to post a link to a monologue from Nigel Farage.

[DaveB]

When everyone is on minimum wage it is difficult to undercut it legally.

Quite easy actually. Posted workers are paid at the same rate they would have got in their home country, and are paid in their home country in their own currency so could quite easily be below minimum wage in their host country. So an Eastern European construction or engineering company bids for a piece of work on a larger project in the UK and posts it's own workers here, alongside those of the main contractor, at half the wages a UK based company would have to pay it's workers.

The UK and Portugal voted against basing pay on workers rights in the host country back in the late '90s, which would have fixed the problem.

[scooterscot]

Unless they are citizens of the Greece?

That must have been a difficult article for the telegraph to write!

Greece escapes a financial tragedy

Yet now Tsipras is preparing to exit the bailout programmes completely, the country’s economic prospects apparently utterly transformed.

The gushing praise in the quote came from Angel Gurria, head of the OECD, last week – the leader of a pro-capitalist group, cheering the work of the leader of Greece’s radical leftists. “I would like to congratulate you, your administration and the whole of Greece for an impressive stabilisation effort and one of the most ambitious reform packages we have seen at the OECD in recent times,” said Gurria. “This is starting to bear fruit.”

Tsipras and Gurria
Alexis Tsipras, right, embraces Angel Gurria in Athens CREDIT: ANGELOS TZORTZINIS/AFP
Tsipras smiled, hugged Gurria and promised to keep reforming the economy – and demanded debt relief. The reason for the cheer is clear. Greek GDP is set to grow by 2pc this year and 2.3pc next year, the OECD estimates. If the forecasts come true it will grow more quickly than the eurozone average in 2019.

Unemployment is down from almost 28pc in 2014 to just over 21pc. The trend gives more workers money in their pockets and leaves fewer in need of benefits. Economists across Europe are impressed. “For the first time in years, the clouds over Athens seem to be just starting to clear,” says Shweta Singh, at TS Lombard. “Albeit from a very low base, things are starting to look up.”

Growth is broad-based too. Exports are up, in part because the long squeeze on wages has made Greece a more competitive economy. Traditional hotspots of shipping and tourism are rising – inbound visitor numbers rose 17pc on the year in 2017.

Really is hilarious. I bet Greece is somehow more productive with employment at 21% than the UK is at 4%. The Greek economy is actually growing faster than the UK with fewer people employed - That's damning.

Sooner Corbyn gets in and turns the country full left the sooner the UK can enjoy brighter prospects.

[original PM]

That must have been a difficult article for the telegraph to write!

Greece escapes a financial tragedy






Really is hilarious. I bet Greece is somehow more productive with employment at 21% than the UK is at 4%. The Greek economy is actually growing faster than the UK with fewer people employed - That's damning.

Sooner Corbyn gets in and turns the country full left the sooner the UK can enjoy brighter prospects.

Un employment is at 21% which is apparently better than the UK's 4%? Ok then...


Oooh but is it summer? is it the holiday period?

Is this a case of a country who has one if it's main income generators being tourism finding that during the tourist season the economy picks up and unemployment goes down?

[The_Equalizer]

That must have been a difficult article for the telegraph to write!

Greece escapes a financial tragedy

From the same article:

"Eight years of recession left the economy 25pc smaller than it was before the twin blows of the credit crunch and Greece’s debt crisis."

and

"Under current plans, the OECD estimates Greek national debt will fall to around 120pc of GDP in 20 years’ time – still a substantial burden – before rising once more to almost 140pc by 2060."

Oh and wages down by 35%.

Greece is in perpetual servitude - 2% growth or otherwise.

[darmstadt]

https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Arbei...e20455564.html

And if you can't read it, this might explain why:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...te-say-experts

[BlasterBates]

From the same article:

"Eight years of recession left the economy 25pc smaller than it was before the twin blows of the credit crunch and Greece’s debt crisis."

and

"Under current plans, the OECD estimates Greek national debt will fall to around 120pc of GDP in 20 years’ time – still a substantial burden – before rising once more to almost 140pc by 2060."

Oh and wages down by 35%.

Greece is in perpetual servitude - 2% growth or otherwise.

They're still in the EU and they're still in the Euro, why ?