Is Indian Offshoring moving...

[SueEllen]

Can you call them 'sweaties' instead?

Makes you sound like a colonialist.

[eek]

You mean Scotland?

When I leave end client co and set up my own consultancy there will be 2 explicit rates - 1 for on site plus expenses the other for work from office / which for most people will mean home.

I saw when as they are blooming useless when dealing with resourcing panics - leaving me with the question of which of their clients should I pee off more. They don’t seem to get I don’t need to care

[BR14]

Just saying the jocks get sensitive if you call them jocks.

this one doesn't, unless it's meant disparagingly.
and i wouldn't call what happens then particularly sensitive

[Mordac]

Can you call them 'sweaties' instead?

No, because we'd have to explain rhyming slang to them, and life's just too fooking short...

[Mordac]

Erm.. Guys n gals... I'd drop the Bob term before Cojak turns up. Not very PC anymore. Was OK back in the day of our long since departed esteemed coder but I've a feeling it's frowned upon now it's become a generic term.

What's the problem, "Bob" is slang for a shilling (or 5p, for our younger readers) which is typically about 4p too much...

[SueEllen]

What's the problem, "Bob" is slang for a shilling (or 5p, for our younger readers) which is typically about 4p too much...

Unfortunately how we have used it on the forum means it no longer translates as cheap overseas worker.

[cojak]

Unfortunately how we have used it on the forum means it no longer translates as cheap overseas worker.

This.

I have chosen to simply edit the term when I see it. From now on I’ll send the person a warning before I start banning.

[original PM]

I think in all of this it is important to recognise that the behaviour of the indians in the off shoring firms only exist because of the companies they work for.

The first thing to recognise is that the sole interest of these firms is to make money out of you - they do not care about your project, your company or your goals - they will make as much money out of you and will happily crap on your project if it means they can get an extra few days consultancy out of it.

These guys you are talking to are given a cut of every single extra days consultancy they can screw out of you by insisting it is a change request to a spec you agreed over a crackly line to indian at 6 am 6 months ago.

The company I am with spanked 5 million with IBM - while 5 million seems a lot of money to companies such as IBM it is peanuts - probably less than that and they will happily hoover up that 5 million in green fees etc before you even write a line of code.

My brother works for a large global corp who are replacing their global billing platform - that project is running into the 100's of millions and they get good service - go figure.


The reason you are starting to see it from some of our eastern european friends is not because they have changed but because they now work for companies with cultures as described above.

So moral of the story - unless you are going to spend 100's of millions of quids do not use IBM or any other large company who does 'IT consultancy and offshoring'

[pmeswani]

This.

I have chosen to simply edit the term when I see it. From now on I’ll send the person a warning before I start banning.

I will put my hand up and apologise for using the term. I had not realised the term was no longer used on this site when I used it.

[woohoo]

This.

I have chosen to simply edit the term when I see it. From now on I’ll send the person a warning before I start banning.

Why don't we reclaim Bob, rather than let it be taken from our vocab. Cojak it does seem like we are just letting the racists win by letting them take our words.

I'm reminded of the interview in the US of Russel Brand on a black radio or tv station. He was told off for saying we are all descended from apes or monkeys and there was big "no that's racist you cant say that". He was like yeah lets reclaim the word monkey why should the racists win. That's the only time I've agreed with him.

What about if I have an Indian mate called Bob, can I still say Bob in that context? Where does it end cojak?