A croak too far

[BlasterBates]

Tony Blair is one of the few who got out in time. He was never really broken at the end, just a crazy.

Was he really ?

We have one less mad man with nuclear weapons. I think that's a good thing and I was against the war at the time. Sure he didn't have any weapons when they invaded but then N.Korea didn't either.

[SueEllen]

Tony Blair has made a small fortune. Cameroooon is writing his book in his "office" in his garden, it's not static so he can claim it back.

Brown was a bit strange before pm, what's the other one called, sorted out Northern Ireland, he seems happy.

Brown was an academic last time I checked. Major (who sorted out NI) is happy pottering around and indulging his love of cricket. Thatcher is long dead.

[SueEllen]

Tony Blair is one of the few who got out in time. He was never really broken at the end, just a crazy.

Suddenly finding faith equals going mad.

[NickFitz]

Worth a read, from someone who's been on the inside: Going To The Mattresses: the art of surviving a coup

Britain’s modern party leaders are not ousted by stalking horses; they are dragged from their beds in the dead of night, and shot in the courtyard with a Sky News helicopter overhead.

[Pip in a Poke]

Was he really ?

We have one less mad man with nuclear weapons. I think that's a good thing and I was against the war at the time. Sure he didn't have any weapons when they invaded but then N.Korea didn't either.

Tony Blair to Mediate in Catalunya Crisis

[Bean]

Was he really ?

We have one less mad man with nuclear weapons. I think that's a good thing and I was against the war at the time. Sure he didn't have any weapons when they invaded but then N.Korea didn't either.

Are you talking about Iraq wrt Nukes? Why?

BBC NEWS | Politics | Timeline: The 45-minute claim

Also,
A bad man with weapons removed from power = normally good
No plan for after removing him, leading to a power vacuum, that allows extremist/terrorist groups to fill it = very very bad

[BlasterBates]

Are you talking about Iraq wrt Nukes? Why?

BBC NEWS | Politics | Timeline: The 45-minute claim

Also,
A bad man with weapons removed from power = normally good
No plan for after removing him, leading to a power vacuum, that allows extremist/terrorist groups to fill it = very very bad

That might be true to some extent but lets face it, not really within the UK's power. The US f**ed up big time. I completely disagree that it would have been better with Husseins son in charge, you think Sadam is a nutcase.

So was it the right decision, yes it was, we now don't have Trump, Israel and Iraq in some sort of stand off. could have a civil war been avoided, I don't know but yes the US screwed up. If Blair had stood on the sidelines it would have been even worse.

Would have Margaret Thatcher done it better ? no way.

[Bean]

That might be true to some extent but lets face it, not really within the UK's power. The US f**ed up big time. I completely disagree that it would have been better with Husseins son in charge, you think Sadam is a nutcase.

So was it the right decision, yes it was, we now don't have Trump, Israel and Iraq in some sort of stand off. could have a civil war been avoided, I don't know but yes the US screwed up. If Blair had stood on the sidelines it would have been even worse.

Would have Margaret Thatcher done it better ? no way.

Don't think anyone has ever suggested that tbh.

Not having a power vacuum doesn't equate to just giving power to the former tyrant's son

As part of the 'coalition of the willing', we are party to the overall mess afterwards.

There was always the possibility of following the UN SCs resolutions and asking everyone to support a motion for regime change and then, maybe everybody would have thought about the aftermath a little more...

[northernladyuk]

Also,
A bad man with weapons removed from power = normally good
No plan for after removing him, leading to a power vacuum, that allows extremist/terrorist groups to fill it = very very bad

It's like Brexit. You need to understand the alternatives. I don't much care for the EU (although I'm not hugely bothered, and I can see some positives), but the alternative is madness.

[Bean]

It's like Brexit. You need to understand the alternatives. I don't much care for the EU (although I'm not hugely bothered, and I can see some positives), but the alternative is madness.

Not really, no.

Unilaterally removing a mad dictator, hell bent on consolidating his power, cracking down on human rights and not having any credible plan for the aftermath
EU, ever-closer union with QMV, no condemnation of violence in Catalonia, EU won't talk about trade until the exact divorce bill is agreed causing uncertainty


Oh wait, you are right


On a serious note though, surely if the alternative is madness, by definition, you should actually care for the EU?