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Ignoring economics.
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Originally posted by Cirrus View PostHas anyone seen Woozie and Shaunbhoy together? My suspicion is they are one and the same person.
OK, maybe they're twins...
“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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Originally posted by eek View PostSomeone elsewhere commented over the weekend that the remainers are still in denial..
Being in denial implies there is something that is real but someone cannot accept it. In the case of Brexit it is the Leave voters who one can argue are in denial. They thought they voted for something. They thought the votes were counted and it was therefore a done deal. What they are now in denial over is the fact whatever they were thinking of almost certainly won't happen. The vote was for something impossible. It was impossible because no-one knew what it meant but more importantly it is impossible because as we start moving towards what it might have meant, too many people - influential people - are resisting it because of the significant damage it will cause for no identified benefit.
Just to re-emphasise: as things stand, the downsides are streaming out like rats from a sinking ship. The benefits: eerie silence.*
So I suggest we are not in denial; we are refuting the result of the Referendum. We agree the numbers but not the ultimate outcome.
* just to snuff out any free trade justifications: we periodically get this kind of thing:
Based on buying goods/services from outside the EU cheaper than we do know. Selling to countries without being restricted by a custom union. Ability to create trade deals, if we want to, with other countries. Less bureaucracy, red tape etc.
It's just blind religion to say UK trade deals will make us all happy. There are economic arguments in favour (eg unilateral tariff removal) but I would say the majority of economists do not support them. Posters are free to make their points. But they don't. They just trot out facile sentences that they think prove everything slam-dunk whereas they are just opening remarks of the Prosecution. We wait for the case to develop. But so far...nothing"Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by Cirrus View PostIt's really the other way.
I suppose you could say they are denial that the destination is unknown but I suspect they know this and either being retired or poor they don't care as it won't really impact them.
* we all know this isn't true but that's what they believe they have voted for....merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostWhat are the Brexiters in denial about? They voted to leave the EU and we will be leaving the EU for the unknown but most of them don't care as Johnny Foreigner will be leaving*
I suppose you could say they are denial that the destination is unknown but I suspect they know this and either being retired or poor they don't care as it won't really impact them.
* we all know this isn't true but that's what they believe they have voted for....Comment
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostSome Brexiteers seem to be in denial in that they think that Brexit will bring prosperity to the UK.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostSome Brexiteers seem to be in denial in that they think that Brexit will bring prosperity to the UK.Blog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostWell no that's not all of it by a long way but what continually grates is the assertion we can't make a living without being in the EU. It's not the"brexiteers" that are in denial
The issue is that "real" Brexit a.k.a. "hard" Brexit (out of the SM and CU) will most likely make "making a living" harder for many people.
So will a genuine "hard" Brexit happen? It's unlikely. A fudge like EFTA or similar is the most likely outcome.Hard Brexit now!
#prayfornodealComment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostWell no that's not all of it by a long way but what continually grates is the assertion we can't make a living without being in the EU. It's not the"brexiteers" that are in denialComment
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