EU demands answer on EU bill within 5 days

[sasguru]

It isn't working

https://www.ft.com/content/0bbc026a-...63daf?mhq5j=e1

http://www.politico.eu/article/psst-...is-doing-well/

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-growth-league

[vetran]

Don't recall shouting 'cretin' at any stage, but if you think the cap fits I'll not argue with you. And we were (still are, just about) a strong country with a voice on the world stage. After Brexit we will be a small insignificant country on the edge of Europe, half full of racists and xenophobes who still believe we are in WW2 against the Nazis.

We, the UK, helped create what the EU is today. No point blaming the Germans or the French as we are equally to blame for any ills of the EU. But it's easier to blame those damn foreigners rather than look in the mirror and accept that we also have a responsibility. But no, let's just bail rather than sorting out the mess we made.

And, just to correct you, the majority in the UK do NOT live in poverty. Poverty is surviving on a couple of dollars a day. Having no home, sharing a hut with 10 other people in the arid countries across Asia and Africa. What we call poverty, half the world will class as wealth ... hence why so many are willing to risk their lives to reach our shores.

Actually you are both "right" because you are not being specific enough.

There are two types

Relative poverty generally means that a person can't afford an "ordinary living pattern"

this affects ~ 20% of UK individuals.


Absolute poverty is slightly trickier. The definition used by a number of international organisations (such as the UN and the World Bank) is that you cannot afford the basic needs of life—food, clothing, shelter and so on.

This isn’t the definition used by the UK government.

So I would suggest Brillo is closer in using relative poverty as that is what the UK government uses to measure poverty. Also as Absolute poverty is fairly common in the UK it suggests that you are wrong denying it exists.

https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty...s-and-figures/

interestingly enough both types are common in the UK.

about 30% of UK children are believed to be in both types of poverty in the UK.

Can't argue with statistics.

[vetran]

and if Remain had won, you can be sure it would have been your last chance ...

yeah because who allows the peasants a say?

[Mordac]

https://www.ft.com/content/0bbc026a-...63daf?mhq5j=e1

Psst, Europe’s economy is doing well – POLITICO

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-growth-league

Politically, it is a mess. Economically, some of it is a mess, and some of it isn't. You do need to broaden your reading to include sites which aren't merely spouting EU propaganda.

[darmstadt]

Politically, it is a mess. Economically, some of it is a mess, and some of it isn't. You do need to broaden your reading to include sites which aren't merely spouting EU propaganda.

What like the Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Telegraph, The Sun, Breitbart, et. al. which just spout anti-EU propoganda? You'll find though that quite a few of the media outlets that are pro-EU actually quite often have Eurosceptics writing columns for them to give a balanced view whereas the anti-EU just show pictures of z-list celebrities on the beach in their swimming costumes

[oscarose]

Reverse article 50 asap

Forget the voice of the public - they were DUPEd big time

[Mordac]

What like the Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Telegraph, The Sun, Breitbart, et. al. which just spout anti-EU propoganda? You'll find though that quite a few of the media outlets that are pro-EU actually quite often have Eurosceptics writing columns for them to give a balanced view whereas the anti-EU just show pictures of z-list celebrities on the beach in their swimming costumes

I'm hardly going to suggest Sassy goes off to read the Wail, that would just be silly. And I've been glancing through some of the stuff on Politico.eu and "balanced" isn't exactly leaping off the page. It's like reading Juncker's notebook, but without the crayon.

[sasguru]

You do need to broaden your reading to include sites which aren't merely spouting EU propaganda.

Not a terribly intelligent statement.
You need to distinguish between the reporter and the reported.
The growth (or lack thereof) figures don't come from the media organisations, but from the ONS and other respected statistical bodies.

[Paddy]

Actually you are both "right" because you are not being specific enough.

There are two types

Relative poverty generally means that a person can't afford an "ordinary living pattern"

this affects ~ 20% of UK individuals.


Absolute poverty is slightly trickier. The definition used by a number of international organisations (such as the UN and the World Bank) is that you cannot afford the basic needs of life—food, clothing, shelter and so on.

This isn’t the definition used by the UK government.

So I would suggest Brillo is closer in using relative poverty as that is what the UK government uses to measure poverty. Also as Absolute poverty is fairly common in the UK it suggests that you are wrong denying it exists.

https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty...s-and-figures/

interestingly enough both types are common in the UK.

about 30% of UK children are believed to be in both types of poverty in the UK.

Can't argue with statistics.

Poverty will increase after Brexit. Just look at those companies who are pro-brexit.

[scooterscot]

So like Greece, everyone is poorer because they spent money by borrowing and now they're in self inflicted poverty?