Explosion in Manchester

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

after ISIS there will be more islamic groups that cause terror. Just as it was pre ISIS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks

Can you see where the first one was in the 1970s?

HTH

Now if you are serious go contact your MP and tell them to stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia and doing massive business deals which keeps them funding the Salafist mosques in the UK. Also they may want to consider closing down all salafist mosques and then this problem might just start to go away....

[diseasex]

Can you see where the first one was in the 1970s?

HTH

Now if you are serious go contact your MP and tell them to stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia and doing massive business deals which keeps them funding the Salafist mosques in the UK. Also they may want to consider closing down all salafist mosques and then this problem might just start to go away....

2017 - 1970 = 47 years of islamic terror.
Am I serious? Well not my job. I can speak but can't do anything really. not in my power. I don't even have a vote.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

2017 - 1970 = 47 years of islamic terror.
Am I serious? Well not my job. I can speak but can't do anything really.

Yeah I thought so...

47 years of terror which started from the heart & mother of terrorism which happen to be our governments best chums in the region. You can do something about it but instead you chose to moan and point the finger. Look at your own faults before looking at others.

[diseasex]

Yeah I thought so...

47 years of terror which started from the heart & mother of terrorism which happen to be our governments best chums in the region. You can do something about it but instead you chose to moan and point the finger. Look at your own faults before looking at others.

In the meantime police is warning of next attacks over the long weekend. Be careful guys

[original PM]

The correct response is to recognise that ISIS does not represent Islam and then to act against those who support ISIS.

Just as the correct response to the Provisional IRA, which claimed to represent the Irish Republic (NB, not the state of 'Ireland' aka 'Republic of Ireland - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_R...ican_tradition) and Irish people, was to act against those who support the IRA, and not to act against Irish people or people of Irish descent in the UK.

HTH

But the Germany government at the time did not represent the views of many of the Germans living in France.

In addition the Muslim community whilst occasionally condemning the odd act will not come out as a group and whole heartedly condemn the terrorist.

Deporting all Muslim/supporters of Islam is not an option nor should it be.

However we should be able to remove the veil of secrecy which surrounds a lot of the activities and we should have more power to investigate without being called racist.

[northernladyuk]

But the Germany government at the time did not represent the views of many of the Germans living in France.

In addition the Muslim community whilst occasionally condemning the odd act will not come out as a group and whole heartedly condemn the terrorist.

Deporting all Muslim/supporters of Islam is not an option nor should it be.

However we should be able to remove the veil of secrecy which surrounds a lot of the activities and we should have more power to investigate without being called racist.

What the hell are you talking about?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3642273...terror-attack/

What would constitute Muslims = coming out as a group and wholeheartedly condemn the terrorist

[Hobosapien]

Also they may want to consider closing down all salafist mosques and then this problem might just start to go away....

Not going to happen.

When the hardliners do this* you know it's going to be a long painful road ahead when a religion has enough hardline support to cause governments to kowtow to their demands for the sake of 'keeping the peace'.

* Staged protests as idolatry is offensive to Islam, until the Greek goddess statue was removed.

[sasguru]

Unlike most people on this thread, I'm no expert on the Middle East
So I ask myself who are the leaders of ISIS? Certainly its 2 deputies after al-Baghdadi are ex-Iraq army.
Some on the "cabinet" are Syrian.

Seems to me the primary cause of ISIS is the destabilisation caused by the Iraq war in 2003, followed by further de-stabilisation caused by the West in Syria and Libya.

Saddam, Assad and Gaddafi were/are not nice men.
You can't be if you're a leader in the Middle East.
Gaddafi might even have bombed the Pan Am plane.
But in the greater scheme of things they kept stability in the Middle East and were no threat to us.
A succession of fools in power, George Bush, Blair, Cameron got involved in stuff they didn't understand and stirred the hornets nest.
They are responsible for ISIS.

What is ISIS motivation? It may be just be revenge, pure and simple.
Under all the rhetoric, they want to hurt the West in whatever way possible.
And there are plenty of useful Western based idiots to do it for them.

[diseasex]

Not going to happen.

When the hardliners do this* you know it's going to be a long painful road ahead when a religion has enough hardline support to cause governments to kowtow to their demands for the sake of 'keeping the peace'.

* Staged protests as idolatry is offensive to Islam, until the Greek goddess statue was removed.

they are offended by pretty much anything

[MrMarkyMark]

Unlike most people on this thread, I'm no expert on the Middle East
So I ask myself who are the leaders of ISIS? Certainly its 2 deputies after al-Baghdadi are ex-Iraq army.
Some on the "cabinet" are Syrian.

Seems to me the primary cause of ISIS is the destabilisation caused by the Iraq war in 2003, followed by further de-stabilisation caused by the West in Syria and Libya.

Saddam, Assad and Gaddafi were/are not nice men.
You can't be if you're a leader in the Middle East.
Gaddafi might even have bombed the Pan Am plane.
But in the greater scheme of things they kept stability in the Middle East and were no threat to us.
A succession of fools in power, George Bush, Blair, Cameron got involved in stuff they didn't understand and stirred the hornets nest.
They are responsible for ISIS.

What is ISIS motivation? It may be just be revenge, pure and simple.
Under all the rhetoric, they want to hurt the West in whatever way possible.
And there are plenty of useful Western based idiots to do it for them.

I believe you have to look further back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the meddling in that.
That's where the roots of this started, IMO.