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[TheGreenBastard]

If you are not talking about Muslims, can you explain how an ideology 'wants' to do anything, and how that single ideology can be defined?

Muslims who act (fulfil) upon the ideology.

[northernladyuk]

Muslims who act (fulfil) upon the ideology.

Different Muslims will have different ideas of what Islam is. There is no single Islamic ideology. You just want to pick the interpretation that suits your world view.

[TheGreenBastard]

Different Muslims will have different ideas of what Islam is. There is no single Islamic ideology. You just want to pick the interpretation that suits your world view.

Assumptive bollocks. Not true at all - if Muslims chose the pacifist ideology I'd not have an issue.

But OK, let's pretend Islamic communities in the West don't have a tendency to religious conservatism.

[WTFH]

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Assumptive bollocks. Not true at all - if Muslims chose the pacifist ideology I'd not have an issue.

But OK, let's pretend Islamic communities in the West don't have a tendency to religious conservatism.

Nothing assumptive about it at all. You're trying to twist words and change an argument to suit you, because the truth doesn't fit with what you have been indoctrinated to believe, and you want to preach your hate-filled bile to others as the one and only possible way.

Tell me, have you ever heard of there being 5 pillars of Islam, or are you from the school of thinking that says there are 7 pillars, and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

[northernladyuk]

Assumptive bollocks. Not true at all - if Muslims chose the pacifist ideology I'd not have an issue.

But OK, let's pretend Islamic communities in the West don't have a tendency to religious conservatism.

So, do you think that different Muslims all have the same idea of what Islam is?

Is your comment on pacifism a suggestion that people who are not pacifists want to take over the world?

Is your comment on religious conservatism an attempt to divert from your position of 'wanting to take over the world', or are you equating religious conservatism with 'wanting to take over the world'?

[TheGreenBastard]

Nothing assumptive about it at all. You're trying to twist words and change an argument to suit you, because the truth doesn't fit with what you have been indoctrinated to believe, and you want to preach your hate-filled bile to others as the one and only possible way.

Tell me, have you ever heard of there being 5 pillars of Islam, or are you from the school of thinking that says there are 7 pillars, and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

What did I twist?

Where's the hate?

I was picking up on certain arguments from posters in this thread - I didn't give an opinion on the thread's topic.

We can continue a debate on the objective peacefulness of Islam if you wish to be enlightened.

[TheGreenBastard]

So, do you think that different Muslims all have the same idea of what Islam is?

Is your comment on pacifism a suggestion that people who are not pacifists want to take over the world?

Is your comment on religious conservatism an attempt to divert from your position of 'wanting to take over the world', or are you equating religious conservatism with 'wanting to take over the world'?

1) No, certain aspects need to be adhered too however, e.g. Muhammad being the best and last prophet.
2) Strawman...
3) Conservatism in most forms implies control - however I do believe Islam can be discussed in isolation without resorting to "whataboutisms"

[northernladyuk]

What did I twist?

Where's the hate?

I was picking up on certain arguments from posters in this thread - I didn't give an opinion on the thread's topic.

We can continue a debate on the objective peacefulness of Islam if you wish to be enlightened.

So now you row back to whether Islam is objectively peaceful, rather than whether Islam 'wants to rule the world'.

[TheGreenBastard]

So now you row back to whether Islam is objectively peaceful, rather than whether Islam 'wants to rule the world'.

Ideology is a meme (a unit of information transfer like DNA) - DNA can't bite your head off, but it can create a phenotype, say a Siberian Tiger and bite your head off.

[SueEllen]

Ideology is a meme (a unit of information transfer like DNA) - DNA can't bite your head off, but it can create a phenotype, say a Siberian Tiger and bite your head off.

I think one of these is useful -