Saint Martin of McGuinness RIP

[WTFH]

Minestrone, is Khaild Masood a hero in your eyes for killing a British policeman?

[northernladyuk]

I don't see it that way.

McCartney was knighted, he was singing about an MP who died for his beliefs.

Is that not distilled Britisheness?

An MP whose party would not stand up for a woman's right to have an abortion for fear of upsetting their religiously conservative heartland. I guess there is a certain British style hypocrisy to that.

[minestrone]

say what?

[minestrone]

I think what angers most people about the IRA is that they were ultimately successful, the people at the service confirm that.

[SueEllen]

I think what angers most people about the IRA is that they were ultimately successful, the people at the service confirm that.

They were so successful that splinter groups came into existence and decided to bomb places like Ealing.

[minestrone]

They were so successful that splinter groups came into existence and decided to bomb places like Ealing.

The PIRA was a splinter group.

[northernladyuk]

I think what angers most people about the IRA is that they were ultimately successful, the people at the service confirm that.

That wouldn't explain why people were so angry about the IRA in the 80s.

As for success, I see no sign of a United Ireland. There has certainly been progress in civil rights and I don't know whether that could be have been achieved without the terrorist campaign.

[minestrone]

That wouldn't explain why people were so angry about the IRA in the 80s.

As for success, I see no sign of a United Ireland. There has certainly been progress in civil rights and I don't know whether that could be have been achieved without the terrorist campaign.

If the PIRA really wanted a united Ireland they would still be bombing the mainland. Electoral representation and some measure of equality were the main drivers of the conflict.

People seem to ignore the reasons why the PIRA existed, majorities of populations were denied emancipation through political system rigged on sectarian grounds and when they complained an army ( from what was thought if as a foreign power ) was used to keep the status quo . Chucking about vacuous statements like "There has certainly been progress in civil rights" does nothing to address how tulip it was for people and how tulip it was that they were not given the capability to change how it worked.

[The_Equalizer]

If the PIRA really wanted a united Ireland they would still be bombing the mainland. Electoral representation and some measure of equality were the main drivers of the conflict.

People seem to ignore the reasons why the PIRA existed, majorities of populations were denied emancipation through political system rigged on sectarian grounds and when they complained an army ( from what was thought if as a foreign power ) was used to keep the status quo . Chucking about vacuous statements like "There has certainly been progress in civil rights" does nothing to address how tulip it was for people and how tulip it was that they were not given the capability to change how it worked.

A united Ireland was and still is the ultimate aim. To this ends the IRA have failed. There is now 'equality' in Northern Ireland, and has been for a generation. Now I'm not daft enough to ever think you'll ever change your opinion. However, I know that people's opinions on this normally are based on the fact either they and/or their parents 'belong' to one side or the other. Is it fair to presume that your parents lived 'in the North' as it would be put?

[minestrone]

A united Ireland was and still is the ultimate aim. To this ends the IRA have failed. There is now 'equality' in Northern Ireland, and has been for a generation. Now I'm not daft enough to ever think you'll ever change your opinion. However, I know that people's opinions on this normally are based on the fact either they and/or their parents 'belong' to one side or the other. Is it fair to presume that your parents lived 'in the North' as it would be put?

The ability to choose was the aim, as given in the Good Friday agreement.