The ever loving EU again

[BlasterBates]

actually we only know one line will do it because it went to court and the Judges specified it would that was in December. Your position looks ridiculous.

and who was responsible for this farce ?

It is clear, especially, after publishing the white paper that the EU is going to run rings round the UK. The white paper is completely farcical, what's written in it is so detached from reality, it just beggars belief.

[Chuck]

The EU have been requesting the UK to invoke article 50 for the last 7 months, one line on a piece of paper would suffice, and you know what, the UK government can't manage it, how pathetic. If they had all these problems could have been resolved. A country that having promised to resign the day after the referendum and then "fannies" around for 7 months is hardly likely to be fit to put together a trade deal.

From invocation, there is a two year period before the UK leaves the EU. That is fixed, unless all parties agree an extension.

It would be reckless in the extreme if the UK had not prepared in advance of the talks. May has made it clear from the start of her PMship that she intended to invoke A50 by the end of March. The court case, the Commons scrutiny, and now the Lords scrutiny all have to be completed beforehand.

I find it odd that you consider this to be "fannying around".

[Chuck]

Why is it a "provided"? The two don't have to be connected; the UK can do what it wants to do. To do what it's doing is using people, many of whom have been here and paid taxes here for decades, as bargaining chips.

Imagine a situation where the UK grants permanent residency to all EU nationals living here, only for the EU to block the same thing in Europe. The UK government would fall within days of such a monumental tactical blunder.

In the real world, I suspect that this is an issue that will be rubber-stamped within the first few days, if not hours, of the talks starting.

[VectraMan]

Imagine a situation where the UK grants permanent residency to all EU nationals living here, only for the EU to block the same thing in Europe. The UK government would fall within days of such a monumental tactical blunder.

I think they could easily defend it in terms of doing the right thing, and the thing that's right for Britain, which it is. It's the nutcases that want to use this as a bargaining position with the EU whilst simultaneously complaining about the EU using this as a bargaining position against the UK.

No doubt The Daily Mail would be up in arms, as would the CUK Kipper Collective, but when aren't they?

In the real world, I suspect that this is an issue that will be rubber-stamped within the first few days, if not hours, of the talks starting.

I imagine so too.

[eek]

I think you'll find there is an enormous amount of indifference in the EU about Brexit. There is very little in the newspapers, very few TV discussion shows and no-one is talking about it.

When the British Government starts trying to push for trade talks I think they're going to face a wall of apathy, and the general attitude is if Britain falls out of the EU and all the lorries are blocked at the border, that's their problem.

Strange its one of the most common topics covered when I'm eating out in evenings...

[LondonManc]

From invocation, there is a two year period before the UK leaves the EU. That is fixed, unless all parties agree an extension.

It would be reckless in the extreme if the UK had not prepared in advance of the talks. May has made it clear from the start of her PMship that she intended to invoke A50 by the end of March. The court case, the Commons scrutiny, and now the Lords scrutiny all have to be completed beforehand.

I find it odd that you consider this to be "fannying around".

ORLY?

Remainers and fannies cover common ground. Nuff said.

To consider the UK to be taking a reasonable amount of time over this, while following due process, is just an inconvenience that remainers like to chuck out as fannying around.

[shaunbhoy]

I think they could easily defend it in terms of doing the right thing

That is "I have in my hand a piece of paper" politics.

Might work in La La Land, but not in the real world.

HTH BIDI

[d000hg]

We WILL guarantee EU nationals' status in the UK, but the EU WON'T commit to a reciprocal arrangement.

HTH BIDI

Has this been said, definitively? I know they were refusing to state that last week, hadn't realised they'd changed their status following seemingly all the amendment to the Brexit Bill being ignored...

Even so, to complain that the EU won't commit to it a mere few days after the UK chose to, when the UK spent months refusing to commit to it, isn't much better. It's not like we said it all along and the evil EU refused to reciprocate.

[scooterscot]

actually we only know one line will do it because it went to court and the Judges specified it would that was in December. Your position looks ridiculous.

And your position:

Two drivers driving down the motorway. Drive A deliberately crashes into driver B. Driver A refuses to show their insurance details until driver B presents his insurance details first. Driver B is like WTF? Driver A takes umbrage and complains endlessly at the unfair treatment towards them.

[LondonManc]

And your position:

Two drivers driving down the motorway. Drive A deliberately crashes into driver B. Driver A refuses to show their insurance details until driver B presents his insurance details first. Driver B is like WTF? Driver A takes umbrage and complains endlessly at the unfair treatment towards them.

Driver B calls the police, problem solved you utter buffoon.